#dev 2020-01-13

2020-01-13 UTC
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[dmitshur] Here's a contrived worst-case example of IndieAuth discovery redirection rules https://gist.github.com/dmitshur/e3324122814c5ad714c999e2c8b3ab32 to check if I understand them correctly.
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@jeremyfelt Working through displaying Webmentions https://jeremyfelt.com/2020/01/12/working-through-displaying-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1216551184044920832)
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[Marlin_Forbes] I'm thinking of an automated way of getting to the git repository for current website. Is there an IndieWeb std rel value for that? _source_ or _repository_ or X?
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[Marlin_Forbes] ah, found `code-repository` and `content-repository` here: http://microformats.org/wiki/existing-rel-values
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[tantek] I wonder if there are any publishing or consuming code examples of either of those. And why two values instead just "repo" or "repository"
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@wastemobile Gitea http://gitea.io 是一個可自行架設的 Git 服務，以 Go 語言撰寫、很輕巧，能裝在各種主機上（包含 ARM），用起來與 GitHub, Bitbucket 以及 GitLab 接近。 #note 有趣的是，Gitea 也是一個獨立的 IndieAuth 驗證主機。 #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/arikchao/status/1216599380595101696/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1216602660846964737)
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[Marlin_Forbes] [tantek] code-repository is for the generator/website source, content-repository is for the page-specific content source, i think
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GWG Greetings
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sgreger Hi! I am creating an adaptation of Selfauth as a Kirby3 plugin - it's >90% the same code, but essentially a different "product". What is the correct protocol on Github? Would I create a new branch, or a completely fresh repo?
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sgreger s/branch/fork/
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aaronpk likely best to create a whole new repo, since it's going to diverge from selfauth pretty quickly
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aaronpk you'd create a fork if you wanted to be able to pull in changes from the main repo, or contribute changes back to it easily
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sgreger aaronpk: thx, that's what i thought
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sgreger an even less technical, more "best practice/conduct", kind of question: is it customary/appropriate to name a solution like this "kirby-selfauth", for instance?
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@AlisonW ↩️ Tried adding a link to my comment on my blog (https://alisonw.uk/2020/01/13/diary-matters) but pingback button threw a 'Webmention Endpoint' error "Cannot find target link". #fyi (twitter.com/_/status/1216777821634355202)
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@edent ↩️ @AlisonW You need to include a link to my blogpost on your post for the Webmention to work. (twitter.com/_/status/1216779263673880577)
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[Marlin_Forbes] I'm looking for a library or feed of sample mf2 posts to test things with, any pointers to something online that i can use for test data?
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gRegorLove [Marlin_Forbes] https://stream.indieweb.org/ (real, not sample)
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gRegorLove There's also the test suite that might help: https://github.com/microformats/tests
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Loqi [microformats] tests: Microformats test suite
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[Marlin_Forbes] thanks, i've been looking at the test suite, nice but not very diverse
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[snarfed] [Marlin_Forbes] https://github.com/snarfed/granary/tree/master/granary/tests/testdata has 54 different posts with translations in mf2 json, mf2 html, AS1, AS2, atom, and more
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jeremycherfas People who understand chartist: any idea why the two sequences are out of step? https://www.jeremycherfas.net/blog/spam-almost-vanquished
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[Marlin_Forbes] [snarfed] perfect! thanks!
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[snarfed] [Marlin_Forbes] also https://github.com/microformats/tests/tree/master/tests/microformats-v2
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[Marlin_Forbes] saw those, thanks
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[Marlin_Forbes] yours are comprehensive and will keep me busy for a while 🙂
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swentel security question: in a multi-user environment, when generating JWT tokens (for IndieAuth) it's probably better to have a public/secret key per user I guess?
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@ttscoff Lately on the blog: The IndieWeb and Webmentions http://bit.ly/2QPcYSP (twitter.com/_/status/1216833539641106432)
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] more on hashbangs and Fragmentions (follow-up to https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2020-01-11/1578780774840400) here is the old Google doc on hashbangs: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/ajax-crawling/docs/getting-started
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Loqi [[tantek]] aaronpk, good point about "#!". Maybe fragmention should explicitly disallow "#!" fragmentions and note that such URLs are reserved for single page app routing (per that old Google advice ages ago). Then we can tell anyone who breaks (like WebMD) tha...
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[tantek] And https://developers.google.com/search/docs/ajax-crawling/docs/learn-more
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[KevinMarks] Now they run js in the crawler to render the page o_O
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[tantek] More archeology: https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2007/11/spiders-view-of-web-20.html
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[tantek] In particular note the "#foo=32" example/pattern, that might be worth excepting from Fragmentions as well
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[tantek] and https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2009/10/proposal-for-making-ajax-crawlable.html
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[tantek] I still thin at a minimum we should disallow fragmentions starting with a "!" (i.e. "#!" URLs)
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[tantek] think*
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[tantek] the slide here is a bit curious as well: https://twitter.com/TrishCarey/status/1052577561924927488
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@TrishCarey No hashtags in the url @methode #Pubcon “that’s bad for search” https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpuBtcZU8AYE6Vu.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1052577561924927488)
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[KevinMarks] Another approach that clashes with fragmentions https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2015/12/reimagining-single-page-applications-progressive-enhancement/
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[KevinMarks] It's clever in using css and fragments for pagination
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[tantek] hashbang << 2012-05-29 [[Twitter]] dropped use of hashbang #! URLs: [https://blog.twitter.com/engineering/en_us/a/2012/improving-performance-on-twittercom.html Improving performance on twitter.com] <blockquote>… permalink URLs are now simpler: they no longer use the hashbang (#!).</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "2012-05-29 [[Twitter]] dropped use of hashbang #! URLs: [https://blog.twitter.com/engineering/en_us/a/2012/improving-performance-on-twittercom.html Improving performance on twitter.com] <blockquote>… permalink URLs are now simpler: they no longer use the hashbang (#!).</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /shebang https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67876&oldid=13465
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[tantek] hashbang << Criticism: 2011-05-28 Dan Webb: [https://blog.danwebb.net/2011/5/28/it-is-about-the-hashbangs It's About The Hashbangs] <blockquote>…it most definitely _is_ about the hashbangs. This technique, on its own, is destructive to the web. The implementation is inappropriate, even as a temporary measure or as a downgrade experience.</blockquote>
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: 2011-05-28 Dan Webb: [https://blog.danwebb.net/2011/5/28/it-is-about-the-hashbangs It's About The Hashbangs] <blockquote>…it most definitely _is_ about the hashbangs. This technique, on its own, is destructive to the web. The implementation is inappropriate, even as a temporary measure or as a downgrade experience.</blockquote>" to the "See Also" section of /shebang https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=67877&oldid=67876
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