#dev 2020-01-27

2020-01-27 UTC
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sivy good eveining
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sivy man I'm bad at sysadmin
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sivy and systemd
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sivy (technically i;m just new at systemd)
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aaronpk that's how I feel every time I deal with it, and then inevitably ubuntu has decided that whatever i'm currently using sucks and some other thing is better and I have to go learn that next
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sivy-phone I can’t find my app logs
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sivy-phone Journalctl doesn’t show anything
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sivy-phone Boo
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[tantek] at least you know what those things are?
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[Marlin_Forbes] journalctl will only show your app logs if you're using systemd to run your app
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[Marlin_Forbes] ie if it's setup as a systemd service in /etc/systemd
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[Marlin_Forbes] systemd (for better or worse) is the standard that most newer OSes have adopted. it shouldn't change again too soon.
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[LewisCowles] sivy, perhaps /var/logs?
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[tantek] what is systemd
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "systemd" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "systemd is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[LewisCowles] it’s where all logs should go on a modern linux machine regardless of distro. Gentoo, Arch, Fedora & Debian; heck I think alpine bases all do this.
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[tantek] Curious how IndieWeb folks use systemd for what functionality on their sites
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[LewisCowles] tantek, curious what you mean. On systems with systemD, generally it initialises and maintains state of the box from a limited perspective
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[Marlin_Forbes] for managing long-running persistent processes
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[Marlin_Forbes] dynamic servers and such, like a micropub endpoint
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[LewisCowles] limited in terms of being quite black-box, outside looking at things, checking if they are running, if they say they are healthy (regardless of them being so)
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[jgmac1106] mblaney++ thanks
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Loqi mblaney has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (19 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] jgmac1106.gq it worked mblaney, going to set my students up today
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[tantek] [LewisCowles] who here is maintaining systemd in their server, and for what end user feature use cases? That’s what I want to see documented on /systemd
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[tantek] What is systemd?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "systemd" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "systemd is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] See if you can answer with how it is relevant to IndieWeb
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[LewisCowles] Honestly, I’m not sure it is at all in the grand scheme of things. At least not mainstream.
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[LewisCowles] I suppose I could add a troubleshooting section, but that is also generally abstracted away by system utilities to be the same for systemv as it is without it
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[LewisCowles] It’s as important as your favourite font
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[tantek] Maybe it’s interesting to document as one way to do long running processes
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[tantek] Which I don’t how to otherwise name / abstract
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[tantek] It’s relevant if folks here are depending on it for IndieWeb features
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cweiske folks here depend on CPUs and RAM for their indieweb sites
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cweiske but my search engine's workers get managed by systemd; https://github.com/cweiske/phinde#system-service
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Loqi [cweiske] phinde: Self-hosted search engine for your static blog
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[tantek] Not that they personally maintain though
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[tantek] Anyway will leave it to someone who actually uses it to provide an IndieWeb dfn of systemd
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[tantek] cweiske your search example definitely counts!
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[LewisCowles] systemd is a co-ordination tool, for maintaining process state and system initialisation for complex sets of services required to run a modern server. It is one of many systems which handle long-running tasks such as application, web and database servers to name a few.
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[LewisCowles] what is systemd?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "systemd" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "systemd is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[LewisCowles] systemd is a co-ordination tool, for maintaining process state and system initialisation for complex sets of services required to run a modern server. It is one of many systems which handle long-running tasks such as application, web and database servers to name a few.
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Loqi ok
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[LewisCowles] what is systemd?
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Loqi systemd is a co-ordination tool, for maintaining process state and system initialisation for complex sets of services required to run a modern server https://indieweb.org/systemd
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[LewisCowles] what is systemd?
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Loqi systemd is used to run services, like web servers, database servers, system background processes https://indieweb.org/systemd
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[LewisCowles] what is systemd?
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Loqi systemd is a linux system tool, used to run services, like web servers, database servers, system background processes https://indieweb.org/systemd
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superkuh What is love?
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Loqi "baby don't hurt me . . . " ♫ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEXWRTEbj1I https://indieweb.org/love
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[LewisCowles] 😄
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[LewisCowles] did you just add that to Loqi?
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superkuh Nope. I was pleasantly surprised.
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wink I prefer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRVfysTXhNA
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aaronpk been there for...a while
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[LewisCowles] cweiske, I love both your project and the license it’s released under
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[LewisCowles] I noticed `domain: cweiske.de` doesn’t return any results and I can’t find a search on your site though. Is it abandoned?
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@ijaack94 ↩️ @m_ott @newsycombinator Thanks to you, I discovered the POWER on Webmentions! Thank you! (twitter.com/_/status/1221830868412530689)
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wink what's people's take on SSL certs regarding: 1 cert (apex domain + wildcard) per domain or are you using 1 cert for all the domeins on the same host?
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wink especially for personal/hobby projects, not talking about work and production stuff
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[Michael_Beckwit at least for my personal sites, i just do 1:1 with LetsEncrypt
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aaronpk one cert covering a bunch of domains is harder for me to manage, so I do a cert per domain. i've started to do a couple wildcard certs but that's still just for one top level domain
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aaronpk another reason not to is that a visitor can see all the domains on the cert so if you don't want someone to know about your other domains, don't use a combined cert
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@sebastiangreger Soldering another #indieweb plugin into @getkirby: an integration of self-hosted authorization endpoint Selfauth (for login using personal URLs via IndieAuth) https://sebastiangreger.net/2020/01/kirby-as-indieauth-endpoint/ (twitter.com/_/status/1221864036343734278)
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GWG You know, doing this trip has made me want to work on https://github.com/dshanske/simple-location/issues/140
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Loqi [dshanske] #140 Archive for Location/Region/Zone
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GWG Does anyone do location archives?
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@dannysteenman ↩️ Great article! I have my own website at https://dannysteenman.com which is a static website generated using hugo. I wonder how I can add webmentions to it. Tips are more than welcome! (twitter.com/_/status/1221896602799038466)
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sivy OP SUCCESS http://monkinetic.blog/2020/01/27/first-live-webmention-test
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sivy https://webmention.rocks/test/1
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Loqi [Webmention Rocks!] Discovery Test #1
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sivy template bug ruined the author data but fixing now
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@steveivy Did my first live webmention test on monkinetic #webmention #indieweb #goldfrog (monkinetic txt-a972372) (twitter.com/_/status/1221911129225486336)
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sivy POSSEing on my site is so liberating
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jacky it is :)
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aaronpk 🎉
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sivy still finding getting the various microformats right is hard.
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sivy webmention seems to want all the data inside the h-entry
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sivy which means invisible photo images and the overlap betweeen h-entry->author and h-card is confusing
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aaronpk there's another option for that
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jacky ^
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aaronpk which is a variation on what I do on my site
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aaronpk your h-entry can have a single property which is just a URL to your home page, and your full h-card on your home page can have the photo and such
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sivy hm
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sivy which property?
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aaronpk so like <a href="/" class="u-author"> inside the h-entry
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sivy u-url?
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sivy hm.
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aaronpk u- means get the value from the href attribute, "author" is the parsed property name
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sivy http://monkinetic.blog/2020/01/27/first-live-webmention-test
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sivy it did not pick up the image or name from https://webmention.rocks/test/1
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Loqi [Webmention Rocks!] Discovery Test #1
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sivy er, in (not from)
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aaronpk hey this site is looking fun
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aaronpk so there's still no "author" property on your h-entry
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sivy also not finding the e-content
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aaronpk there's just an h-card inside but it doesn't know what it's about
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sivy the p-author is inside the h-card
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sivy which is inside the h-entry
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aaronpk ah that's not how that works
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sivy waaaiiiiii
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aaronpk oh so you have an h-card at the top of that page, so you have a much easier option
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aaronpk er, bottom
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aaronpk side?
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sivy :)
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sivy side
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aaronpk so that h-card looks great
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aaronpk what you need is to make a link from the h-entry "author" property to that h-card
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aaronpk so change your "by Steve Ivy" to by <a href="http://monkinetic.blog" class="u-author">Steve Ivy</a> and drop all the embedded hidden markup there
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sivy so i don't need the embedded h-card?
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aaronpk right, cause the data is already elsewhere on the page
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aaronpk here's a minimal example https://php.microformats.io/?id=20200127220448352
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Loqi [Author Name] Hello World
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aaronpk and as you can see Loqi is happy with it :)
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sivy better? http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmonkinetic.blog%2F2020%2F01%2F27%2Ffirst-live-webmention-test
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Loqi [Steve Ivy] First Live Webmention Test
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aaronpk yea!
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sivy oh there we go!
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sivy pic, name, link, and all
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sivy still no e-content
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sivy peers
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sivy well, it shows in the pin13 parser, but not in the webmention.rocks test page
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aaronpk typically if your post has a name, then webmention receivers think it's a blog post and show only the name rathre than showing the content too
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sivy oooooh
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sivy hm, let me test a note
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aaronpk hm there's a stray u-url somewhere
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aaronpk oh drop the u-url from the element that has u-author
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sivy oh, thanks aaronpk
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sivy lol just realized i'm claiming to be AOC, ilhan omar, and elizabeth warren
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sivy rel=me
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aaronpk lol!
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[KevinMarks] Hah
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[KevinMarks] https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-entry/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmonkinetic.blog%2F2020%2F01%2F27%2Ffirst-live-webmention-test
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[KevinMarks] Indiewebify.me has checks for rel-me and h-card too
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sivy [KevinMarks] i feel like aaron's advice above conflicts with indiewebify's advice re: h-card in h-entry
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sivy you people need to get your stories straight :)
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aaronpk yeah indiewebify needs some updates
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[KevinMarks] There's a more complex algorithm for authorship based on publishing practice.
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[KevinMarks] What is authorship?
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Loqi authorship is an algorithm that determines the author of a post https://indieweb.org/authorship
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[KevinMarks] The easiest pattern is embedded h-card in standalone posts and one in the h-feed on the blog page, but there are other options
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sivy ok, i'm switching onto POSSEing to Goodreads
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sivy nerd crack
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beko[m] good stuff :D
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gRegorLove what is sturdy backbone?
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Loqi The authorship testing tool is a service to run the authorship algorithm for a URL. It's sometimes referred to as Sturdy Backbone based on the URL Glitch automatically generated https://indieweb.org/Sturdy_Backbone
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gRegorLove Hm, authorship testing tool is taking a while to load
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[snarfed] eyes https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/796
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Loqi [snarfed] #796 micropub API for bridgy publish
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aaronpk especially since silo.pub died
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[snarfed] do you still use your own instance?
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aaronpk yeah
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aaronpk but I don't know python so as soon as something breaks i'm gonna be unable to fix it
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[snarfed] yup
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aaronpk if bridgy publish supported micropub then it'd be a quick swap-out for me tho :D
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[snarfed] good to know!
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[snarfed] for just twitter?
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aaronpk mainly twitter, but I also use github
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[snarfed] got it
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jacky where is the source for silo.pub?
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[snarfed] also sivy feel free to look at https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/905 if you're interested in doing goodreads posse so that other people can use it too!
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Loqi [jamietanna] #905 [Silo Request] Goodreads.com
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aaronpk what is silo.pub?
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Loqi silo.pub was a Micropub endpoint for hosted blogs like Tumblr, WordPress.com, Blogger, and Twitter https://indieweb.org/Silo.pub
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[snarfed] (i know you have your pluggable syndication thing in goldfrog though 😎)
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jacky oh nice
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sivy [snarfed] looking at that link now, but yes, its most likely going to be a Syndicator in golfrog