#dev 2020-02-03

2020-02-03 UTC
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GWG aaronpk: Have you given serious thought to how?
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GWG I have given thought to using the Foursquare venue database just to get started
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[nealthom] Anyone know why I only get webmentions from twitter for likes and not replies? I am very new to this.
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jeremycherfas Are you using Brid.gy [nealthom] ?
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[nealthom] I am
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jeremycherfas Odd, then. Have you looked at logs?
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@kevinmarks ↩️ That use case sounds very like the microsub model - if you are modernising, consider adopting this - you can likely avoid having to write some parts of it at all https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/1224323654068076545)
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aaronpk jamietanna[m] I think you've got a stray p-name on your posts, they're showing up as blog posts instead of notes, for example https://events.indieweb.org/2020/02/homebrew-website-club-nottingham-8IgcYeAQhIKX
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aaronpk Take a look at the preview in monocle too https://monocle.p3k.io/preview?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jvt.me%2Fmf2%2F2020%2F01%2Fxyxvr%2F
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jamietanna[m] Aaronpk thanks - I had seen that before but forgotten to ask. So is it that I need to make sure I only have a `p-name` if it's a blog post, as per post-type-discovery?
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aaronpk jamietanna[m]: yeah the only thing that should have p-name is a blog post with a title, otherwise you can just leave it out
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aaronpk (And you can re-send the webmentions to the event page manually and it'll update them)
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[KevinMarks] I thought h-event expected p-name?
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aaronpk oh maybe I was talking about h-entry
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[KevinMarks] Events have the name/summary/content thing (possibly description for content if older)
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[fluffy] Given a lot of the confusion around which attributes are needed on which post types, is there a wiki page that actually spells out which post types have which mf2 attributes? And would it be worth maybe encouraging the use of an explicit post type attribute which would disambiguate if available?
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[fluffy] Like I’m constantly getting tripped up by these things
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[fluffy] for example with the difference between an image/photo post, and a text post that happens to embed images/photos
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[jgmac1106] fluffy very few are agreed upon for more recent experimentation mark up examples are given but not a suggested
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[jgmac1106] In your example above I put the u-photo outside e-content and if it is a photo in text it doesn't need anything
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[jgmac1106] People mess up u-photo all the time including me
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[KevinMarks] There are pages on the microformats wiki for each
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[jgmac1106] https://indieweb.org/posts#Kinds_of_Posts
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[fluffy] Yeah I know about that stuff, but it’d be nice to have a table that has, like, “post type” “contains this” “does not contain this” or something
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[jgmac1106] Those first group on that page are agreed to, everything else experimental
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[fluffy] like a summary of allowed/disallowed attributes or whatever
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[KevinMarks] For h-entry there's a decision tree algorithm
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[snarfed] [fluffy] you've seen https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery , right? not a direct answer, but that's the key the authority on this
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[fluffy] I have not seen that
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[fluffy] decision trees are useful I guess
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[snarfed] eh for implementors
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[snarfed] otherwise most of the individual post type pages on the wiki usually say near the top which mf2 attrs are key. eg https://indieweb.org/reply#Post_a_reply has 'add class="u-in-reply-to"'
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[jgmac1106] So if you click on any post type in the first group you will see a how to.. But not in the second or third group
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[jgmac1106] [grantcodes] built an awesome guide
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@Pauho Our Social Media is Broken. Is Decentralization the Fix? | Internet Archive Blogs Also posted to: * http://brid.gy (https://pauho.net/?p=160) (twitter.com/_/status/1224401395002093571)
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[fluffy] hm, could that guide be linked to in the preamble of /posts then?
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[snarfed] do we have an interactive PTD tool? like https://sturdy-backbone.glitch.me/ ? i don't see one on https://indieweb.org/post-type-discovery#Implementations . would be a great project!
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[snarfed] cc [Zegnat] in case he's interested
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[KevinMarks] Feels like a good indiewebify.me extension
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[Zegnat] Is this a new way to volunteer someone to build it? 😋 I think there are a couple of implementations but I am not aware of anything that shows the results for debugging purposes.
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[KevinMarks] That's my usual technique…
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gRegorLove Do we need a "Not It" post type? XD
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@jackjamieson ↩️ Correction: Yarns Microsub Server doesn’t implement Micropub. But wonderfully, it doesn’t have to since that can be handled entirely within the Microsub client. As for @mikbl’s original question, I rarely (almost never) post images, but I do use… https://jackjamieson.net/?p=82614 (twitter.com/_/status/1224416893647425536)
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[schmarty] !tell Ruxton: I _finally_ wrapped up my bestnine mods. Details and link to updated source in my post. Apologies for not making it into nice PRs! https://martymcgui.re/2020/02/03/151833/
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Marty McGuire] Thanks to Ruxton for making available the source to the IndieWeb Best Nine, here are my “Best 9 Photos of 2019”. The app walks your personal website, looking for photo posts, then makes a collage of the best nine. “Best” is determined by mos... https://res.cloudinary.com/schmarty/image/fetch/w_960,c_fill/https://media.martymcgui.re/7b/ff/f0/c2/00001c04f5bd6c3fee911e6577a7b5edf7c67c31128637d99d7100d1.jpg
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[fluffy] [gRegorLove] I recall there being a serious discussion about “not it” a few months ago and I think the consensus was that it was a bad idea overall
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[fluffy] let me see if I can dig it up
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[fluffy] https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2019-07-02#t1562101200979300
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Loqi [[schmarty]] [chrisaldrich] there was a smallish conversation about the not-it emoji thing this weekend and the "not it!" tendency in general.
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[fluffy] Although that was more about the wiki than post types
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[schmarty] fluffy: fwiw i have the same reaction to the idea of a not-it post type ;}
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[fluffy] Yeah, I figured. 🙂 I mean, same.
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[fluffy] I assume gregor’s suggestion was facetious/satricial though 🙂
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[KevinMarks] I still want rel="not-me"
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[jgmac1106] fluffy aaronpk and I started a not-it emoji application, we haven't submitted, was on wiki, but we removed it for not being IndieWeb related, was the top result in Google
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sivy speaking of emojis...
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sivy I'm of a mind to add some kind of emoji-renderer on my site; lightweight or no-js
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sivy anyone know of anything? the google not being helpful
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[snarfed] why?
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[snarfed] does your site use a font that doesn't have them?
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sivy i wasn't sure if I should use the OS emojis or slack-stlye :thing:
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sivy or some other implementeation
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sivy just thinking out loud
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sivy (also something that would translate across services for syndication, that's complicate)
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[Rose] If you use the OS ones they're Unicode so should work on all platforms.
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gRegorLove was definitely kidding about not-it posts :)
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sknebel "should" very much being the operative word there :D
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sknebel but I'd agree, unless you have good reasons otherwise just put emoji in your HTML and let the browser figure it out
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gRegorLove If it's mysql driven, watch out for column character encoding. Need utf8mb4 to store the full set of emojis.
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gRegorLove mysql's utf8 encoding only supports 1-3 byte characters
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jamietanna Tantek thanks! If you're happy with that, what are next steps to get it published to the site?
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Loqi jamietanna: infominer[m] left you a message on 2019-06-01 at 5:01pm UTC: now am upgraded to v.31.1 released a year after the theme was done building, and just before the next major change (page bundles)
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Loqi jamietanna: chrisaldrich left you a message on 2019-11-28 at 5:28am UTC: for the tip. I've looked and whatever the original was has since been deleted. Not sure how it would have slipped into the feed. re: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2019-11-28#t1574918495312100
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jamietanna (wrong chat - ignore that Tantek, I've messaged on #microformats)
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jamietanna !tell aaronpk I've just tried updating my webmentions but it's showing that there's no WM support on events.indieweb.org, is that right? https://php.microformats.io/?url=https://events.indieweb.org/2020/02/homebrew-website-club-nottingham-8IgcYeAQhIKX
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk uhoh that's weird
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Loqi aaronpk: jamietanna left you a message 1 minute ago: I've just tried updating my webmentions but it's showing that there's no WM support on events.indieweb.org, is that right? https://php.microformats.io/?url=https://events.indieweb.org/2020/02/homebrew-website-club-nottingham-8IgcYeAQhIKX
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aaronpk ah I see what happened my mistake
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aaronpk try again
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jamietanna[m] Aaronpk nice that did it! I'll get all my other webmentions resent tomorrow 👍🏽
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aaronpk 👍
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