#dev 2020-02-09
2020-02-09 UTC
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[Michael_Beckwit i need to do some review of the spec and whatnot for atom, cause i think i went about editing the xml tags when i shouldn't have, when trying to implement a custom feed for some data.
# [Michael_Beckwit probably a case of i should have just been amending what went in the tags themselves more than anything
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Loqi granary is the social web translator https://indieweb.org/granary
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ See all these notes in this thread originated on my website and I use a tool called webmentions to POSSE, publish on your own site syndicate elsewhere (every in my case, except facebook, evil company). Webmentions are awesome, (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/owdaM) (twitter.com/_/status/1226342619363540992)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ Then there other open standards like micropub and microsub that allow me to read and write directly from a social reader this stuff is cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwECN4uVuHg so the technical barriers are lower and soon we can do this from mobile (https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/s/2gcji9) (twitter.com/_/status/1226343708225830914)
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[jgmac1106] !tell snarfed any guides to using Bridgy but including media or audio? Currently I POSSE another note pointing to posts or notes with audio and video
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jamietanna[m] jgmac1106 Bridgy to Twitter works with photos (not yet tried with videos) if that helps?
# jamietanna[m] Just looking into allowing my Micropub server to tell me if I've already created a piece of content - I don't see anything in https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ about what to return in the case it already exists, so I guess it would be a 201 with a `Location` header to the existing post, rather than a https://http.cat/409 ?
# jamietanna[m] Good question. Submitting the same payload twice - I'm planning to stop me from re-publishing i.e. a `like-of` to the same post
# jamietanna[m] Perfect - that's what I was thinking per the spec, but from my experience with RESTful APIs I'd expect a `Conflict` to say "you've already done that". All good though, as this makes it easier :D
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Zegnat Though I wonder if some sort of cool-down period would be needed. Submitting a like within a day seems like an accidantal repeat, but what if I like an article again after a year? Should that just become last year’s post, or should it create a new post so the thing resurfaces for people who follow me.
# jamietanna[m] That's fair, hadn't thought of that usecase
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# [jgmac1106] audio clips and video clips, I am sure I am hitting the file size limits, maybe I just need to link to the videos rather than embed in notes
# [jgmac1106] but they look purty inside of my notes
# [jgmac1106] So I publish a note with a video and then I publish another note saying "hey I just published a video and I link to the first note. I use bridgy to POSSE the second note
# jamietanna[m] Through the stuff I'm doing I've actually found a fair few duplicates I didn't know about - woops!
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# [jgmac1106] like this zegnat: https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2020-02-09-1 not yet but Iam not sure what I would expect it do, act like an embedded youtube video I guess
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# [jgmac1106] thx, I set it up to add captions just out of time now, will do when I get home, I have been putting u-video in wrong place in every video post then
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# [snarfed] morning! yes, bridgy supports video, it's in the docs 😁 https://brid.gy/about#video
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# [LewisCowles] adding S3 idno plugin to see if it can work on heroku (5 years old)
# [LewisCowles] half tempted to see if it works with regular S3 before all the heroku nonsense providers
# [LewisCowles] other-half tempted to make/find sftp file & filesystem driver for it
# [LewisCowles] so far had to patch to get around load balancer, had to upload the config which prohibits public repo storage of code. It's looking like it was designed for shared hosting
# jamietanna[m] snarfed looks like the error I was seeing last night is Mastodon failing - see https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/pull/906#issuecomment-583853285
# jamietanna[m] Would you mind raising the fix for it, as I'm not quite sure what to do for it 🤷♂️
# jamietanna[m] Ah woops, didn't realise I was behind! That should sort it now
# jamietanna[m] snarfed any thoughts on https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/pull/906#issuecomment-572279019 / why I can't see the Meetup user/see the publish page in the UI ?
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jeremycherfas !tell jamietanna[m],Zegnat I like the way Pinboard unobtrusively tells me I have saved something before and asks whether I want to edit or replace.
# jamietanna[m] That's quite good, although I guess we'd need to have the Micropub client in that case understand it - still a nice use case
# jamietanna[m] Do you know what the namespace would be? It's not showing on the default 😅
# jamietanna[m] Yeah neither seem to be working
# jamietanna[m] Do you know off the top of your head what script I'd need to list it?
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# jamietanna[m] I'm now getting `google.cloud.ndb.exceptions.ContextError: No current context. NDB calls must be made in context established by google.cloud.ndb.Client.context.` ?
# [snarfed] or, actually, easier, just check http://localhost:8080/users . if it's not there, features is probably empty
# jamietanna[m] yeah so ^ is an empty page
# jamietanna[m] but in the header I do see my user
# jamietanna[m] Thanks - let me know if there's anything I can help with
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# jamietanna[m] Oh gotcha snarfed! I may need a hand if you have some time, as you'll know more what you're looking for
# jamietanna[m] That's odd I wonder what's happened. But yeah I'll try that now 👍🏽
# jamietanna[m] Just sent it over twitter DM snarfed
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# jamietanna[m] not to worry! Re meetup_icon.png is that to Bridgy itself, or granary/oauth-dropins?
# jamietanna[m] And re the username, do you mean change it to `Meetup Jamie Tanna` or `Meetupcom Jamie Tanna`? Or?
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# [LewisCowles] fixed up the known S3
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# [LewisCowles] premature victory declared there... Damn thing
# jamietanna[m] snarfed ah gotcha, you mean the OAuth2 client in Meetup? I've just updated now so it's Bridgy with no dot
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# jamietanna[m] Re the icon, are you happy me re-using the one that I've got in oauth-dropins? It's 139x50px
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# [jgmac1106] good to see IndieWeb building blocks spreading, watch out for Lord Businessman and his Kragle trying to keep you trapped in the social media silos
# jamietanna[m] why did that appear?! lol
# jamietanna[m] ah didn't spot that
# [jgmac1106] darn was hoping a mastodon search was a feed, forgot to h-feed on that
# [jgmac1106] no way for Granary to build a feed from a search, but the community doesn't want stuff crawled and exported anyway correct?
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chrisaldrich I definitely don't want my poets crawled.
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aaronpk yep here's the JSON data https://mastodon.social/api/v1/timelines/tag/smallpoems
# [jgmac1106] awesome aaronpk. That works for all tags on Mastodon?
# [jgmac1106] this is cool! I had no way of adding searches to feeds! Now I do!!
# [jgmac1106] gwg++
# jamietanna[m] !tell snarfed I've raised a PR for oauth-dropins, so once that and granary are merged we're almost there! I've got it RSVPing via `curl`, but not yet via the UI - if you're able to see if you can spot why that'd be appreciated!
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# [jgmac1106] I have many a reason to have multiple feeds on my homepage, when people want to add feeds into their reader they drop the homepage in and then want to selectthe feeds to subrcribe to
# [jgmac1106] I was just working on this: https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/2020/02/09/step-two-of-indiewebcamp-online-complete-i-layed-out-my and it will have multiple h-feeds and rss feeds
# [jgmac1106] people want to subscribe to the audio version, the teaching tips, and then books I am reading, So I will have multiple h-feeds on the page and then use granary to convert those h-feeds into rss
# [jgmac1106] funny I wrote about HTML first in that project update....but I am starting with CSS first...oops
# [jgmac1106] but on my homepage I include feeds that aren't even on my website but on different websites if I think itis a feed interesting to my audience
# [jgmac1106] ohh okay, misundersttod
# sknebel e.g. aaronpk links to https://aaronparecki.com/all with rel=feed from his homepage
# aaronpk oh huh yeah I think I had to add /syndicated because /all was too much and posts were falling off too fast for bridgy to find them
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[tantek] is /syndicated a page of posts that are/were syndicated to at least one other location?
# [jgmac1106] that is neat
# [jgmac1106] okay going back offline until step 3 is done
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# [jgmac1106] What is the difference between grid-column and grid-template-columns?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "difference between grid-column and grid-template-columns" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "difference between grid-column and grid-template-columns is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [jgmac1106] grrr I forgot about that
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KartikPrabhu [jgmac1106]: grid-column assigns a column to the child of the grid element. grid-template-column declares the columns on the grid on the parent element containing the grid
# [jgmac1106] ahh okay, n3eeded a refresher thanls
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# jamietanna[m] !tell snarfed looks like, as we can only use one `redirect_uri` I've updated it to http://localhost:8080/publish/meetup/finish - but need a quick hand getting it to go through the publish flow from the home page, as it currently goes through the listen flow
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# Loqi [snarfed]: jamietanna[m] left you a message 1 minute ago: looks like, as we can only use one `redirect_uri` I've updated it to http://localhost:8080/publish/meetup/finish - but need a quick hand getting it to go through the publish flow from the home page, as it currently goes through the listen flow
# [snarfed] re only one redirect url, blogger had the same problem at one point, here's an example unified callback handler that multiplexes different flows: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/blob/70cca8fa98217f33e6f0abed06727a17ffcea1b7/blogger.py#L167-L207
# jamietanna[m] ah interesting, I'll have a look at that
# jamietanna[m] sorry, by listen flow I mean the backfeed / listen functionality. Because we've only implemented publish for Meetup, I'd prefer to only have the option to set up publish so the UX isn't confusing
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# [snarfed] usually i find logos and icons on the company's media site or press kit. eg here's a good square one for meetup: https://www.meetup.com/media#panel-whenwasmeetupfounded?
# jamietanna[m] ah nice, good find - I'll convert it to a PNG :)
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# [jgmac1106] I went looking for https://kartikprabhu.com/ to give kartik a h/t and he still has a stellar notebook like feel to the design
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# [LewisCowles] S3 support for idno/known can now be achieved (without cloudfront) in < 50 lines of php
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@scott_gruber Please help me test webmentions by liking this tweet. https://scottgruber.me/articles/connecting-to-the-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1226622185281687552)
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# [LewisCowles] Hmmm. What could cause git to stop logging in using public key?
# [LewisCowles] Oh man I should not be using a windows laptop... kill the git bash window, open another and it works again
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# [LewisCowles] -200,000 lines 😁
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# jamietanna[m] !tell snarfed I think we're pretty much done now 🙌 I've got it working from no-authZ to publishing, the main thing left is the doc updates and the ability to disable it - unless there's anything else you think that needs to be done
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# [snarfed]1 jamietanna awesome! sounds like you can demo today then, if you're hoping to
# jamietanna[m] Snarfed ah for IWC Online? Unfortunately it's late here in the UK so it's bed time for me but that's a good idea - I should've recorded it for demos
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# [jgmac1106]1 jaimetanna I will make a place online for demos and you can add one later, if people make short videos I will splice them all together
# [jgmac1106]1 haven't figured out the online demo yet, might have to be asynchronous
# [jgmac1106]1 !mf2 https://jgregorymcverry.com/mypoetry
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# [jgmac1106]1 congrats aaronpk, and feel free to delete all my intro webmentions, I wanted to see what happens and what was possible
# [jgmac1106]1 Known and/or Bridgy couldn't keep up, more Known than Bridgy I would see them on twitter before they were done saving on my site
# [jgmac1106]1 need to wait ten minutes between archive saves
# JKing aaronpk: Any chance I could get you to look at these? https://github.com/aaronpk/picofeed/pulls
# JKing Yeah. I keep meaning to write my own feed processor. Someday.
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# JKing At least then it will actually work how I want it to. ;)