jamietannasnarfed no worries - I think if you had issues publishing we should find out what went wrong, it may have been api issues / rate limiting perhaps?
Loqijamietanna: [snarfed] left you a message 3 days, 1 hour ago: hah, we forgot to update the redirect_uri on the meetup API app to brid.gy instead of localhost. mind doing that when you get a chance?
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@davidfqIt's encouraging to see how people are getting more and more into personal websites. The next step would be to being able to take the conversation out of Twitter. #webmentions #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1230437227714502656)
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[snarfed]jamietanna i'm thinking about cutting new releases of granary and oauth-dropins soon to get the meetup support out there. let me know if you're interested in helping! instructions are in the readmes, they're pretty straightforward, and i can add you on pypi
Loqi[snarfed]: jamietanna[m] left you a message 7 hours, 29 minutes ago: no worries - I think if you had issues publishing we should find out what went wrong, it may have been api issues / rate limiting perhaps?
Loqi[snarfed]: jamietanna[m] left you a message 7 hours, 25 minutes ago: no worries - I think if you had issues publishing we should find out what went wrong, it may have been api issues / rate limiting perhaps?
sknebel[manton]: do you have automated builds for demo pages using the themes? if yes, adding an automated check for the parse result could be a thing?
jgmac1106….but doing it as a session….could be the intro to microformats session always offered but that leads to a nice outcome of themes that parse correctly
jgmac1106other thing I need to work on are the page building demos for people I have encouraged to sign up. Those will be fun to do, not this weekend though
[manton]That's interesting. I don't have any automated checks for the themes but could add something. That would also be helpful for people building custom themes.
[manton]I'm working on starting a directory of user-submitted themes for people who have taken existing Hugo themes and tweaked them for Micro.blog. Those are very unlikely to have full Microformats.
[jeremycherfas]S’easy. If you don’t use micropub to create the replies, then Known knows they are a reply, and you can eliminate them from the RSS you share with m.b
[tantek][manton] count me in for reviewing mf2 in micro.blog themes. Happy to help improve while also figuring out how we can improve our tools like IndieWebifyMe to make it easier for more people to check / improve their mf2
[tantek](sivy, background, many of us are moving / moved away from any kind of explicit post typing in the UI because it's awkward for users, makes them think more than necessary, and creates bad storage legacy as a side effect)
[tantek][jgmac1106] that's an excellent /repost use-case! Someone post something that includes something you previously posted! Can you add that along with your citation to /repost#Why?
[tantek]sivy, let people create posts with whatever aspects (text, photos, location etc.) that they want to create, in any order, while they're creating
jgmac1106and I track down where the u-url-url typo I was making emerged from Known. It uses: “u-url url” I must have copied and carried aling with me and then made typo along the way
jgmac1106the beauty to me sivy is then you do not have to worry about the publishing ux at all, if micropub clients map to your site and you build views using post type discovery,….having to design all that publishing UI isnt needed
aaronpksivy: for sure, but you don't need explicit post types for that either. for example i can POSSE a post that has a photo to twitter, regardless of what kind of post it is. for example some of my food posts have photos
[tantek]also there's a lot of work on that for Twitter as a target in particular in /Twitter#POSSE - for lots of different sets of features, short notes, long notes, with a title (article), with photo(s), replies etc.
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LoqiURL design is the practice of deliberately designing URLs, in particular, permalinks, typically for a better UX for everyone who creates, reads, and shares content https://indieweb.org/URL_design
@fluffy↩️ Short version:
1. Own your data
2. Use intrinsic HTML features to provide simple protocols for data/service discovery (microformats, <link rel>, etc.)
3. Keep the APIs for interop simple
Much of the inter-site communication is via Webmention which is incredibly simple. (twitter.com/_/status/1230600504000077828)
LoqiInrupt is a startup with the goal of “personal empowerment through data” (similar to the own-your-data IndieWeb principle), and is based on the Solid project, relying on Javascript and RDF https://indieweb.org/Inrupt
[tantek]and if it's not exactly delivered as they expect it they're like, meh I don't get it, make it easy for my entitled attitude or else I don't care
[fluffy]like I find it frustrating how much mindshare ActivityPub has gotten given how… well, difficult it is to set anything up with it, and how at its core it’s basically always going to be stuck reinventing Twitter/Tumblr-likes.
[fluffy]My frustration about ActivityPub is mostly because people keep on asking me to add support for it into Publ but like. Every time I stare down that rabbit hole, the rabbit hole stares back.
Loqi[𝔰𝔞𝔩𝔱 𝔪𝔞𝔯𝔰𝔥] Are you interested in a federated alternative to Goodreads that doesn't use Amazon?because I'm making a federated alternative to Goodreads that doesn't use Amazonhttps://github.com/mouse-reeve/fedireads
[fluffy]I also like that IndieWeb mechanisms give me a choice of how I share stuff. Like, a lot of my music posts are soundcloud embeds, but I’ve switched a bunch of them over to bandcamp as I’ve turned them into actual album releases, and in the future I could switch to self-hosting my own audio and using <audio> tags or whatever.
[fluffy]Something I’d really like to see improved in the IndieWeb ecosystem is the ability to change URLs more freely. That’s actually a big part of the thing I wrote hoping to be a keynote for IndieWeb Summit. 🙂 Well, being able to handle change in general.
[fluffy]like, oops, there was a typo in my entry title, it sent out webmentions to things, then I changed my typo and that changed the URL because SEO slugs
[fluffy]okay so yeah I see that the webmention spec itself never, um, mentions rel=canonical. But supporting that would lead to obvious spoofing attacks. Hm.
[fluffy]but that doesn’t help with, say, sites that allow multiple domains (example.com vs www.example.com, or questionable.content vs. starwars.horse or whatever)
sknebelI wouldn't treat them as a redirect, because the owner could just send a mention with the canonical as the source, this check just protects against duplicates if the content is available and multiple urls
jamietanna snarfed no worries - I think if you had issues publishing we should find out what went wrong, it may have been api issues / rate limiting perhaps?
@ddprrt ↩️ @sarupbanskota @zeithq Webmentions, fetch recent tweets, update on RSS feed update :-) (twitter.com/_/status/1230416998867390464)
@davidfq It's encouraging to see how people are getting more and more into personal websites. The next step would be to being able to take the conversation out of Twitter. #webmentions #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/1230437227714502656)
@snmcp I'm looking forward to trying this webmentions in Eleventy tutorial by @TheGreenGreek later: https://sia.codes/posts/webmentions-eleventy-in-depth/ (twitter.com/_/status/1230456680753848321)
[jgmac1106] all that talk of reposting and finally have something I want to repost: https://twitter.com/dogtrax/status/1230255342308790275 juts grabbing img and reposting that
@dogtrax @jgmac1106 @dajbelshaw A few of lines of your #smallpoem, with a comma added for dramatic effect … #clmooc #poetryport https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERK-kN-XkAAD7ne.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1230255342308790275)
@megarush1024 Fighting with Thunderbird after just starting the first cup of coffee is not how I wanted to start my Thursday. Also, going back and forth with my host with regard to support from their end of Micropub and Indieauth. I just sent the specs, let’s see what… https://www.arush.io/archives/96452/2020/02/20/11/18/ (twitter.com/_/status/1230527134940176384)
[jeremycherfas] S’easy. If you don’t use micropub to create the replies, then Known knows they are a reply, and you can eliminate them from the RSS you share with m.b
[tantek] [jgmac1106] that's an excellent /repost use-case! Someone post something that includes something you previously posted! Can you add that along with your citation to /repost#Why?
Loqi [Greg McVerry] @Tumblr still has one of the most intuitive publishing UX in the blogging world. It's purdy to boot. #IndieWeb https://quickthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/file/54b5d5965b6b6b7a3e9a1dcdcd7a661a/tumblr.gif
aaronpk so I do /yyyy/mm/dd/n/slug where "yyyy/mm/dd/n" is the filename on disk
@DenMcH ↩️ I don't know if you tracked this down yet, but I just decided to take a break from work and poke around. It's coming from a webmention, with this note being filtered somehow https://adactio.com/links/16239 (twitter.com/_/status/1230589475345989632)
@fluffy ↩️ Short version:
1. Own your data
2. Use intrinsic HTML features to provide simple protocols for data/service discovery (microformats, <link rel>, etc.)
3. Keep the APIs for interop simple
Much of the inter-site communication is via Webmention which is incredibly simple. (twitter.com/_/status/1230600504000077828)
[fluffy] I also like that IndieWeb mechanisms give me a choice of how I share stuff. Like, a lot of my music posts are soundcloud embeds, but I’ve switched a bunch of them over to bandcamp as I’ve turned them into actual album releases, and in the future I could switch to self-hosting my own audio and using <audio> tags or whatever.