#dev 2020-04-08
2020-04-08 UTC
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jacky open push looks nice https://f-droid.org/en/2020/02/03/openpush-talk.html
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@Mark__Andrew Webmentions, active and passive https://pocket.co/xd3Soa @Pocket #Webmentions @WebLiteracy (twitter.com/_/status/1247728798881234945)
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[LewisCowles] what is jf2?
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Loqi jf2 is a working prototype of a simpler JSON serialization of microformats2 intended to be easier to consume than the standard Microformats JSON representation https://indieweb.org/jf2
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# [g33kcentric] oooooo!
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Zegnat !tell dckc There is always https://f-droid.org/en/2020/02/03/openpush-talk.html to check out if you really want to home roll the entire push messages chain (for Android)
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jeremycherfas I don't particularly want to do it the way you did it, from the HTML; I'd rather use it as an opportunity to learn to use something else to do the job.
# jeremycherfas I've read that Python makes this sort of thing not too difficult.
# jeremycherfas But maybe I should look at PHP first. With the right regex, or splitting strings up a line at a time, it might be doable.
# jeremycherfas The problem for me is that because I have always worked at home, at least for the past 7 years, I have no extra time during the day and I think the next big thing I want to do on my site is implement responsive images with `srcset`.
# jeremycherfas That would prompt me to post more images.
# jeremycherfas Competing with that is a desire to implement my very own ownyourgram.
# jeremycherfas The pizza photos were on Known. I'm talking about my main site. Sending anything to my own site would mean getting micropub beyond the very rudimentary stage it was at.
# jeremycherfas If I think about usefullness, micropub > srcset = myownIG
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# Zegnat I think I may have linked it before, but I enjoyed this relatively short article about setting up srcset, jeremycherfas: https://cloudfour.com/thinks/responsive-images-the-simple-way/
# jeremycherfas I think you did. At least, I have it in my resources file. And the longer series.
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petermolnar I gave up on "responsive" images - srcset/different sizes term - a long time ago
# petermolnar it complicates things, and never worked as intended for me
# petermolnar but! my images are "responsive" in the terms of auto-resizing
# petermolnar figure
{ margin: 2em 0; }# petermolnar figure img
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# [LewisCowles] If anyone locally develops their site and wants to run software on a raspberry pi or single-board computer, or an intel NUC. It can be hard to test things like emails. I Just got github.com/CODESIGN2/mailhog-docker to support multiple arm architectures and 32-bit x86 in addition to armv7 and amd64. What has this got to do with the web and indieweb?
# [LewisCowles] Many of us send emails. Testing that can be a pain. This allows you to simply update your config to point at wherever you are running mailhog and get full e2e email tests
# [LewisCowles] RE: responsive images, I've never had much of what I'd consider success with them
# [LewisCowles] I think adaptive fixed-width is progress, but it's a few steps back from some of the things we used to be able to achieve using flash; which I know is proprietary etc, but had some rich expressive qualities
# jeremycherfas !tell petermolnar I've never looked at your site on mobile. Isn't the overhead a worry?
# jeremycherfas Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I thought the point was to let the bowser choose an image size so it wasn't downloading an unnecessarily large file only to downsample it.
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[jgmac1106] indiemonster, indie crossing, webmentions vs zomboes, we need to roll out one of these games, indiemonseter was some geocaching so not a good social distance choice
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# [jgmac1106] yes that is the point, but to peter's point is a ton of work on the site mantainer whereas max-width=100% will work, IO step on my img down to 1280 and then use width=100%
# petermolnar jeremycherfas: the funny bit is: no, no real overhead. Mobile resolution is often denser, than desktop resolution, meaning mobile would download the 2x, 3x picture anyway.
# petermolnar [LewisCowles]: I'm happy to help anyone with self hosted email server issues.
# [jgmac1106] I have been loving the PWA photostack (available web or Android)
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# [LewisCowles] petermolnar, do you host your own email server?
# [LewisCowles] I use mailhog as a fake server, so that they don't need to self-host. It just traps any emails sent to it's server.
# [LewisCowles] It additionally provides an API layer to ask it questions, but I don't regularly bother with that
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# Zegnat There is always my brain dump on asynchronous role playing, but nobody that I know has had a go at that yet (https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se_martijn/Roleplaying_from_our_own_blogs)
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# [jgmac1106] closest I ever got: https://wmvsz.glitch.me/ indiemonster came out of a hijacked session on badging in 2018 NYC
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# petermolnar [LewisCowles]: yes, I host my own mailserver.
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# jeremycherfas Good point petermolnar I hadn't thought enough about pixel density on the way down to smaller sizes.
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@AndreJaenisch ↩️ @yoshuawuyts Ah, so #Webmention can be lucky to have one over at https://webmention.rocks/ :) (twitter.com/_/status/1247873629863530496)
# petermolnar sknebel: from my own tests, yes, that was the conclusion. In essence I don't want super resolution of my photos circulating/available, and the smaller resolutions don't make sense any more, because phone screens became quite dense.
# petermolnar Zegnat: for that, I present you progressive jpg
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[KevinMarks] Tantek, I remember us working out how to do a pokemon go alike with webmention a while back, but I think it was verbal, but written down
# petermolnar Zegnat: true, but apart from Opera Mini, I don't think any of them takes bw into account.
# jeremycherfas I'm grateful for this discussion about images.
# petermolnar I have a 720 and an 1280 limit on the larger side for image; 720 is show, 1280 is linked. Both progressive JPG.
# jeremycherfas My 100% width is 750px at max, I've toyed with breaking images out on either side of the text box, maybe 960, but on occasion that would crash into my sidebar, so I think I'll just leave things as they are. Many, but not all, are progressive jpgs, and those that aren't are PNGs, iirc.
# jeremycherfas Maybe I'll do interlaced png going forward.
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@el_piranna ↩️ @AndreJaenisch @yoshuawuyts WebMention looks nice, thank you for showing me it! :-) (twitter.com/_/status/1247880046154416134)
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# [jgmac1106] what does progressive JPG mean? That is what I started to do link to 1280 and show 720 but most older photo pages still all 1280
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# [jgmac1106] thx
# [jgmac1106] an img resizer be a neat micropub client...like give three basic options
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# petermolnar jeremycherfas: png only and exclusively only makes sense if it's from vector; jpg will always be smaller, than interlaced png.
# petermolnar jeremycherfas: related read about dithered png: https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2018/09/how-to-build-a-lowtech-website.html - trouble is, they should have gone with something like 40% jpg compression, the images would be much, much smaller in file size.
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# [LewisCowles] file size is not their only consideration. I'm pretty sure low tech mag has an article about how algorithms affected their decisions. Either that or my brain has made it up. I feel confident of the former though
# petermolnar the argument is that these are similar in size, text in them is more readable, and they have better aesthetics; these are all reasonable points.
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# @AndreJaenisch ↩️ @el_piranna @yoshuawuyts Wait until you discover the IndieWeb movement!
https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1247895519885582338)
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# jeremycherfas I do most of my image manipulation in Acorn. That gives me the option to look at the original and the version side by side. Sometimes dithered PNG has a radically different colour palette, and then I go with jpg. But whereas I almost always do progressive jpg, I am not as careeful about interlaced png.
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# jeremycherfas Interesting, because your max column width for me is about 560, non-retina. So the 960 is to accomodate denser displays?
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@mauricerenck Introducing "Tratschtante" a Webmention Plugin for @getkirby
https://maurice-renck.de/projects/kirby-3-tratschtante (twitter.com/_/status/1247933388276801537)
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# @mauricerenck Introducing "Tratschtante" a Webmention Plugin for @getkirby@mastodon.social
https://maurice-renck.de/projects/kirby-3-tratschtante (twitter.com/_/status/1247934047650598916)
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@call_user_func [New]mauricerenck/tratschtante Kirby Webmentions your plugins can subscribe to https://github.com/mauricerenck/tratschtante (twitter.com/_/status/1247934856476028929)
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# jeremycherfas Very reasonable.
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omz13 Hello all. Work on building my own solution continues, and while the native format is microformat and the main API is micropub, I now seem to have a working WordPress/XML-RPC interface (as tested by MarsEdit successfully working with my test server). Mangling between microformats and what comes down that WordPress interface was somewhat of a challenge.
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gRegorLove GWG: Do you write the tests first? I've grown to really enjoy making failing tests then writing the code to make them pass
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jamietanna TDD++ tests++
# jamietanna snarfed: https://pypi.org/project/granary/3.0/ is now released! I'll just have a look at Bridgy now
# jamietanna[m] That's awesome 🙌🏼 thanks for your patience
# jamietanna[m] Does bridgy need a release actually? Don't see instructions so assume it doesn't need to be?
# jamietanna Oh actually, does Bridgy get released? I don't see release instructions so assuming not?
# [snarfed] feel free to sign up for readthedocs and look at granary there though! it still needs to be nudged to show the newly released 3.0 on https://granary.readthedocs.io/
# jamietanna snarfed do you need me to be added to readthedocs? I don't see any options to trigger a build for latest
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# [snarfed] done! rtd can be a bit finicky, but first try the instructions in https://github.com/snarfed/granary/pull/196
# jamietanna That seems to have given me the option, just running through now
# jamietanna snarfed: looks like it's still not showing v3.0 as an option to activate :thinking:
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# [snarfed] ah, if you click on the "v: latest" in the bottom right on https://granary.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ , it shows stable and v3.0, which are both good. so only latest is wrong
# jamietanna oh ok, that's odd
# jamietanna did we need to update anything in https://github.com/snarfed/granary/pull/196 or are we good to merge?
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