#dev 2020-04-07
2020-04-07 UTC
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sivy aaronpk: ah, good point
# sivy aaronpk: although, the client is the same in both cases
# sivy golang local debugger v. server golang binary
# sivy so I don’t think it’s the user agent
# [LewisCowles] [sivy] do you have an example link?
# sivy https://amzn.to/2XekSZF
# sivy I tried adding a fake UA to the curl from the linode, and got a 405
# sivy someone’s being a clever monkey
# sivy so I’m getting weird results from different clients
# [LewisCowles] I just ran curl -v -X GET http://amzn.to/MyKindleBook and got a real URL
# [LewisCowles] and another "https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0062237357/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=monkinetic-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=0062237357&linkId=633da12ad44cf70ea23fb53016bec73c
# [LewisCowles] is the issue that the amazon product is giving 503?
# sivy yeah
# sivy hm
# [LewisCowles] other than being gzipped, which gunzip can handle
# [LewisCowles] ```curl -L https://amzn.to/2XekSZF -H "authority: www.amazon.com" -H "cache-control: max-age=0" -H "upgrade-insecure-requests: 1" -H "user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/80.0.3987.149 Safari/537.36" -H "sec-fetch-dest: document" -H "accept: text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,image/webp,image/apng,*/*;q=0.8,application/signed-exchange;v=b3;q=0.9" -H
# [LewisCowles] "sec-fetch-site: none" -H "sec-fetch-mode: navigate" -H "sec-fetch-user: ?1" -H "accept-language: en-US,en;q=0.9" -c cookie.dat --compressed```
# [LewisCowles] my machine doesn't support --compressed, so I pipe to gunzip
# [LewisCowles] they have massively aggravated me with their client-side sniffing
# [LewisCowles] none of it is temporal though, so I don't know that whoever implemented it finished school
# [LewisCowles] :face_with_symbols_on_mouth:
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@polarbirke ↩️ Ich fühle mich da weiterhin wohl mit. Wir zeigen ja nichts an, was nicht vorher schon öffentlich war – mit klarer Attribution. Und da ich die Webmentions server-seitig hole/erzeuge, gibt's im Client nicht mal einen Ping an einen third-party service. (twitter.com/_/status/1247424175997890560)
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# @polarbirke ↩️ An "Löschen" habe ich auch schon gedacht, das müsste gehen – bei http://webmention.io kannst du die webmention ja entfernen. Allerdings müsste man dafür bei jeder neu gefundenen Webmention einen Ping an den Autor mit dem Link zum Löschbutton senden. Find ich etwas spammig? (twitter.com/_/status/1247462614692777993)
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@tosbourn ↩️ Thanks for your offer, I'm learning and tinkering at the moment.
If you have any great articles or examples of webmentions would appreciate you sharing. (twitter.com/_/status/1247465742305505282)
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@jgmac1106 ↩️ Here is is agood source of articles https://indieweb.org/Webmention#articles. I just added webmentions to my wiki at http://longthoughts.jgregorymcverry.com/doku.php. It took a http://webmention.io account, two lines in my header, one javascript file (css optional) (https://jgregorymcverry.com/notes/2020-04-07-1) (twitter.com/_/status/1247483590583222273)
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[jgmac1106] oops two lines in my head...but no need to be pendantic
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[tantek] The “XML approach” would be to assume / require authors/publishers always use an author property and then “just” look for that. While a good starting point, it’s obviously a bad approach to optimize for developer convenience rather than researching reasonable real world examples and making sure to handle them
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@typlog ↩️ @ChrisAldrich We now support sending webmentions https://twitter.com/typlog/status/1247086765065654272 (twitter.com/_/status/1247526276929220612)
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Loqi Dark Sky is a weather API (no new signups possible) which some people use to show weather information on posts https://indieweb.org/Dark_Sky
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# zenen So I'm graduating this year and I'm aiming to find a job in webdev this coming fall. I'm planning on working a lot this summer and then using the money I earn to move to a new city and find employment there. Does anyone have suggestions on where to start in terms of building my portfolio over the next while?
# zenen I want to be able to find work at a quality company, so I feel like I need a quality portfolio to achieve that. I need some guidance to figure out what to focus on because the world of webdev is... big.
# zenen Would building a good personal page be enough?
# zenen of course! and I'm here because I agree with that philosophy
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# [LewisCowles] zenen, a blog of things you are learning and have learned is a commonly touted thing of interest to prospective employers as well as showing off some of the focuses and skills you have.
# Loqi A blog (or weblog) is an online journal or diary typically written by one person (there are some group blogs) about whatever subjects they wish, sometimes on a particular subject such as a science blog or political blog, and often on its own domain in a very much IndieWeb way, though the term long predates the community https://indieweb.org/blog
# zenen what is aperture
# Loqi Aperture is an open source Microsub server developed by Aaron Parecki https://indieweb.org/Aperture
# zenen aaaah this is so cool, people have already developed so many tools and frameworks for this movement
# Loqi Building blocks are key design-patterns, technologies, and methods for building and improving your independent website https://indieweb.org/building-blocks
# zenen ahahah i'm looking right into a rabbithole i've been dreaming about for years
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# [LewisCowles] Although it's a silo. I absolutely love GitHub actions and other public SaaS CI/CD providers supporting yaml
# [LewisCowles] More of a notice that it's dependent on them than saying "aim for no ownership"
# [LewisCowles] Outside of standards tracks, I think it's always risky and undesirable, but I agree that is my own personal profile
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@steveivy Repaired some stuff in #goldfrog around #webmention handling on weird responses (hello amzn redirects)
(monkinetic txt-beb46c9) (twitter.com/_/status/1247575172443287552)
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# [jgmac1106] "domain and data portability are the two keys for this community" nice sum up snarfed
# [jgmac1106] snarfed++
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gRegorLove I wasn't meaning to suggest the lazy solution. I kind of feel like it's the most correct though, since indienews is a multi-author feed
# gRegorLove If an overall feed author is needed, the URL being converted could be the default
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@n2try @Medium Probably an unusual request, but is there a chance you're going to implement the Webmention or Pingback standard on your platform some time? Could be a great benefit for indie bloggers.
https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention
http://www.hixie.ch/specs/pingback/pingback (twitter.com/_/status/1247596746101923840)
# @n2try @TwitterEng Probably an unusual request, but is there a chance you're going to implement the Webmention or Pingback standard on the platform some time? Could be a great benefit for bloggers.
https://www.w3.org/TR/webmention
http://www.hixie.ch/specs/pingback/pingback (twitter.com/_/status/1247597497045958657)
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# [snarfed] dckc: more on https://indieweb.org/push_notification . if jenkins supports eg Pushbullet or Pushover, or can connect to them via webhooks or Zapier or IFTTT, that might work
# dckc "No replicable indieweb solutions to Push Notifications yet." <- does that pre-date https://github.com/luruke/browser-2020#push-api ? or does Push_API not cut it?
# dckc reads up on https://indieweb.org/Known ...
# dckc MySQL or MongoDB... so it's fried. I'd rather something baked (http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000404)
# [LewisCowles] what is "a high-priority notification"?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "a high-priority notification" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "a high-priority notification is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [LewisCowles] Known supports postgres too
# [LewisCowles] and heroku, via that docker
# [LewisCowles] so you could throw a bit of script into Jenkins and get parallel pipelines
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# [LewisCowles] I think aaron is right. There was something about keys or encryption (not TLS) when I looked into it last year. AFAIK apple doesn't fully support either. Although not a concern for Safari, it does hurt compat to have one of the big 3 not supporting.
# [LewisCowles] I wonder if anyone is using RTC data channels or websockets to work around that with normal browser notifications
# [LewisCowles] I use mailhog for mails like dckc is mentioning as it does allow me to subscribe to email notifications in a local-network context, which saves internet flakiness / round-trips and keeps internal noise internal, and ephemeral
# [LewisCowles] I also happen to have updated my mailhog docker image and set it to auto-build to keep dockerhub fresh today
# [LewisCowles] I also wrote Safari when I meant Android
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jamietanna Hey dckc for the notifications conversation, I'd recommend Pushover - I've had a few good recommendations for it, and I can't fault it - good API with a high amount of free notifications
# [LewisCowles] swentel++
# [LewisCowles] I like dckc wishes to make it all de-centralised, but dckc, you will notice and exponential cost once you start moving out of amortization bubble
# [LewisCowles] runtime as-in application. You'd need to keep safari / android open all the time to use browser notifications
# [LewisCowles] it's not strictly true that keeping them open excludes background processes.
# [LewisCowles] Google Chrome on Android certainly is registered to send and receive push notifications, and regular notifications. It's more than outside of your own individual use-case, and a lot of setup, it's not generally applicable
# [LewisCowles] what is android gorp?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "android gorp" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "android gorp is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [LewisCowles] you also cannot hi-jack their ability due to the certificate signing, only registered certificate holders can send the messages like pushover
# [LewisCowles] Open Source != doors down
# [LewisCowles] Android functions using binary blobs and some services would require significant effort to avoid using the mechanisms in place
# gRegorLove I'm discussing updating indiebookclub to add comments and wondering what different servers do if they get a post with both `content` and `summary`. More details in https://github.com/gRegorLove/indiebookclub/issues/16
# [LewisCowles] I don't think you can on android actually
# [LewisCowles] you can root / hack the device, but again it's an unreasonable user assumption
# [LewisCowles] you can listen on a socket and make requests on open ports
# [LewisCowles] I'm fairly certain they don't let you just open sockets that hit the outer network
# gRegorLove I was trying to avoid putting the generated "what to read [book] by [author] [isbn]" in the `content` since it's not explicitly authored by the poster (like that, at least), vs a note/comment that is.
# [LewisCowles] that could be an IPC facilitating internal socket
# dckc "Socket connections in Android are the same as in Java:" -- https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7384678/how-to-create-socket-connection-in-android
# [LewisCowles] INTERNET permission is part of it, but then you need to know the network allows
# [LewisCowles] which other apps have open ports
# [LewisCowles] Java does not need an internet permission btw
# [LewisCowles] been using Java since the 1990's
# dckc https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.proninyaroslav.libretorrent/ <- that sure suggests this is doable
# [LewisCowles] do-able is different from reasonable
# [LewisCowles] or encouraged
# [LewisCowles] Android does very little to discourage an emboldened, determined user
# [LewisCowles] but it does not encourage them
# [LewisCowles] cute. I also dislike surveillance capitalism
# [LewisCowles] so it's a mathematical abstract android device we're discussing?
# [LewisCowles] if not, as well as google, you have vendors
# [LewisCowles] When publishing to your device, you need to consider the network(s), the vendor, Google (if certified, which I believe it is) and the platform as a hostage of those others
# [LewisCowles] snarfed, how does it work on iOS. Is MDN / Can-i-use wrong?
# [LewisCowles] They both suggest safari doesn't support Push
# [LewisCowles] That might be the specific why it worked
# [LewisCowles] which if you can persuade users to do because of audience education etc, is grand
# [LewisCowles] but not a given
# [LewisCowles] For my case the app (someone else) was 20% safari
# [LewisCowles] I was happy to be fair. I dislike real-time comms in-general
# [LewisCowles] ironically from a real-time comms agent 😛
# [LewisCowles] I'm not claiming to be an expert btw, just fairly confident of recent experience
# [LewisCowles] Googles line on droid and chromebook is also a very undesirable one in the sense they are the sole protector as well as primary known abuser.
# [LewisCowles] Many people with non-G certified devices suffer without visibility, because those providers don't have the target on their back the multi-national does
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# zenen I just spent a good chunk of the day trying to find a way to remove Google from my Google Pixel... the results were pretty unsatisfactory
# zenen I couldn't find a LineageOS image without most of google's applications installed, and the ones that weren't just made the whole thing less convenient
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# [LewisCowles] I need sleep too. It's getting harder and harder though
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swentel zenen, I'm going to try https://e.foundation/ soon - might be an option
# zenen swentel: I'm using a 3a, which doesn't have official support. I found an independent package from someone but they preinstalled gapps
# zenen yea I just came across e-foundation recently, i still have to give it a better look
# zenen there's no support for the 3a though, so I'd have to learn how to make ports and that's beyond my skillset atm
# [LewisCowles] I adapted an OpenSource project to build the whole of Google ChromeOS in 4 commands. Building Android cooks my brain. I have neither the desire, nor time. I'm resigned to being sad nobody is doing what I'd like with OS's, glad that I have Linux and sunk-costs of 20 years fiddling to make it do what I need.
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[grantcodes] swentel is recreating some together ui without me even requesting it 😛 together has the gallery view, but I decided not to autoplay videos.
# [grantcodes] swentel++
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