#dev 2020-04-20

2020-04-20 UTC
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[tantek] yeah I think that's something consuming applications should be able to choose, with the default being include mf1 backcompat
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beko swentel: I wonder about a difference in Indigenous and Monocle. I use Granary for a Twitter feed and Reshares are displayed fine in Monocle but only display a link in Indigenous. Is this a difference in handling data between summary and content?
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plut4rch this is the appropriate chan :))
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KartikPrabhu yup
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[LewisCowles] [plut4arch] probably best not to parse out individual things from a URI. PHP has your back in terms of using $_POST and $_GET super-globals
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[LewisCowles] the path suggestion I gave was literally the path without query parameters
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plut4rch does the $_GET super global work with RESTful URL's?
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[LewisCowles] yes, it's unfortunately baked into PHP along with $_POST unless you turn them off in the ini file
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plut4rch hmm i see
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swentel beko, hmm that might be the way I'm displaying the content of a repost/quotation-of (it's tricky with the nested references)
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swentel beko, the upcoming releases fixes at least a part (via a setting)
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swentel the current setting which exists in indigenous is confusing (even for me haha)
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[LewisCowles] as for PHP specifics, I think it's best to google 'ietf http rfc' so you understand what the moving parts are
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swentel beko, so, I'd say, compare in the next release, if it's still weird, open an issue with how it looks in monocle and in indigenous (with the json also which you can view in indidgenous too - which is a setting)
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[LewisCowles] https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.server.php
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[LewisCowles] https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.get.php
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[LewisCowles] https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.files.php
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[LewisCowles] https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.post.php
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[LewisCowles] https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.request.php
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[LewisCowles] The PHP way to talk about some of those primitives
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[LewisCowles] https://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.cookies.php
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swentel beko, I also use granary for my twitter feed, so I think I 'see' the same problems, hopefully most are fixed in next release :)
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swentel release is due friday btw
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swentel with a couple of new features too woohoo
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Loqi woot
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plut4rch ahhh thank you for those looks and references LewisCowles, I will be sure to study up a bit
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plut4rch LewisCowles do you think if i try and do all of this without a framework I am going to run into security issues pretty fast?
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[LewisCowles] I can't speak to that. It sounds like FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) to trap you into an ecosystem, but will depend on a lot of things
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swentel maybe a mix? symfony does a lot of heavy lifting for you, but you're still free on how you want to build your application, without having to think (much) about security for instance
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swentel especially if you think about using composer to manage packages or libraries, changes are big that you end up with something from symfony in the vendor folder anyway :)
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[LewisCowles] mixing and library based development is wonderful when you need it.
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[LewisCowles] they still have the mindshare trap a lot of the time
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[LewisCowles] I suppose even languages have this problem
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beko swentel++
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Zegnat There are definitely a couple reasons to go with a framework in PHP if security is important, unless you take the time to learn a lot about PHP internals yourself. For the longest time, default cookie values were seen as insecure. Frameworks would often have much saner defaults, but if you thought PHP had sane defaults and just used cookies/sessions you could get into trouble
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GWG swentel: Would you consider, since you are doing a trip UI, a simple exercise UI?
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Zegnat But as with a lot of that sort of security thinking, there is also value in spending some time thinking about what threats even apply to you. If you are building a personal site, maybe next to none of the security offered by frameworks will even be used by you.
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swentel GWG, if you can tell me what properties to send, sure
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swentel and what the inputs should be
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swentel I have a release scheduled for friday
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swentel and since those UI's can go fast, it might make it in ;)
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GWG swentel: start, end, name, notes, distance, type, I would assume
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swentel that's for the trip ui as well no? or really a different one?
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swentel s/really/also
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[jgmac1106] <knows just enough and no where near enough in a perfect balance to do probably really bad stuff on his personal website...haven't done anything in a bit as I hit limits of knowing.
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swentel GWG, or make the route optional?
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[jgmac1106] well swentel I could excercise in place with a jumprope, gpx data not too useful
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[jgmac1106] if that is what gwg meant by excercise UI?
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GWG Well, some forms of exercise have a motion component, some don't.
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GWG So, I suppose you could have a UI that offers stationary exercise vs mobile exercise
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GWG Also, if on a treadmill..no trip data, but distance data
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swentel ok, I'll make route optional then
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swentel this is a test trip on my site now: https://realize.be/node/2106
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swentel send from indigenous
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Loqi [swentel] Test trip
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swentel pretty cool :)
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swentel just a walk around the block ;)
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GWG I just acquired a treadmill.
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GWG Do you do h-measure so the unit of distance is recorded?
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GWG I use miles, you probably use km
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[jgmac1106] and it better have a parsec option
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swentel Trackbook uses km I think
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swentel well, it allows me to switch
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swentel but haven't looked at the gpx file it generates in depth
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swentel aside from getting the lat/lon/elevation properties
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[jgmac1106] I think tracbook controlled by global phone settings, mine are miles
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[jgmac1106] I never had to specify
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[jgmac1106] gwg strange benefit (for me) of having multiple h-feeds on a page using fragment links, I can do an announcements of new posts without cluttering my page with webmentions
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GWG swentel: If I just want to note I ran 4 miles at 3 miles per hour, that is the simple UI idea
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GWG If I want to also include a route...
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GWG Optional
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swentel ok
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GWG The measurement, I suppose, could be a global setting
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GWG Imperial vs Metric
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[LewisCowles] Zegnat++, I see your point. Right now I am not sure their API is using cookies or sessions
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[LewisCowles] it's not using a routing library, so I think they have time
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[LewisCowles] Yesterday I had a swell time making static HTML versions of my wekan boards. I've still got to populate a zip file with the css and any images, but I'm rather glad it works without the JS and makes it read-only
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Zegnat Hmm, Wekan looks interesting
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[LewisCowles] I've used it for years, but it only has JSON import / export without a REST API. I like their UI. The steps so-far are ticketed on their issues
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[LewisCowles] it should allow me to output to a zip I can overlay on a file-system, which will allow me to share boards in my new venture
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Zegnat I get very little use out of Kanban for personal use, but I am keen to get work off of Jira. Might need to check this out
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[LewisCowles] you have to get really good at using statuses to abandon JIRA. Also I'm fairly certain card history doesn't come with this yet
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[jgmac1106] interestinga parser to that tries to build an rss feed: https://blog.inoreader.com/2020/04/convert-almost-any-webpage-into-rss-feed-with-inoreaders-web-feeds.html?utm_source=inoreader&utm_medium=sticky&utm_campaign=webfeeds
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[jgmac1106] oops sorry for ?utm
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aaronpk hah wow it's like that web 2.0 thing from 10 years ago
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[LewisCowles] the code linked has made me feel better. It shows it's a scam by googling tik tok then the code. It's awful the spam, but equally as awful if someone were so desperate it were real. This one is not
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[KevinMarks] This is interesting. I wonder if any of these should imply a name in mf2. https://sarahmhigley.com/writing/whats-in-a-name/
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aaronpk that sounds like pieces that are far more specific than h-entry or even h-card
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Zegnat There may be a case to be made for textContent to replace elements with their accessibility name, and not limit itself to replacing images with alt only, but I would not go as far as to figure out accessibility names to imply mf2 properties
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[KevinMarks] On the OAuth as a play thing, we did QuickTime Streaming as an interpretative dance in 1999
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[KevinMarks] Each component was played by the engineer responsible
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swentel GWG, more properties added for trip, will be in the release this friday
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swentel there's a payload example at https://github.com/swentel/indigenous-android/issues/359
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Loqi [swentel] #359 Add more trip properties
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aaronpk continues to make progress on that xray mf1 issue
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Zegnat What direction did you ended up going with it, aaronpk ?
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aaronpk i'm going to make it so that the post has only mf1, it doesn't matter whether the link is inside the mf object
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aaronpk the problem is it's gonna take a bit of wrangling to make that happen
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Zegnat Hmm. A custom parser I am playing with exposes the html node for every microformats object. I wonder if that would help here? Then it is just a matter of checking if the h-entry node has that class on it. If it has not, it was mf1 backcompat parsing.
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aaronpk i'd rather have the php parser return some debug info somewhere
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aaronpk right now i'm settling for re-parsing and disabling mf1 parsing since the parser already supports that
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk this does mean i won't reject pages where the link is outside of an mf1 object
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aaronpk i guess that's just the compromise here
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aaronpk ah yeah, the compromise is: if there is a link in the HTML but it's not in the mf1 entry, then XRay no longer returns the parsed document
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aaronpk oof php 7.4 support in xray is gonna be tough, i'm going to have to update htmlpurifier and picofeed first too
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GWG aaronpk: What about 7.4?
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aaronpk apparently htmlpurifier uses a bunch of features they deprecated in 7.4
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GWG Fun
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aaronpk i suspect updating htmlpurifier will then drop support for older php versions, so that'll be a fun decision to make
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gRegorLove I sent a webmention to webmention.io a few days ago which returned a 303 and the body indicated pending, but it didn't show up in https://webmention.io/api/mentions?perPage=500&target=https://tomcritchlow.com/2020/04/15/library-json/ It looks like my sending truncated the trailing slash of the target, which I think explains the 303 status?
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gRegorLove Though I'm not sure why the wm doesn't appear in https://webmention.io/api/mentions?perPage=500&target=https://tomcritchlow.com/2020/04/15/library-json
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gRegorLove I just manually re-sent it using the form and it showed up in the canonical mentions URL
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aaronpk 303 sounds like maybe you sent it to http instead of https?
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aaronpk nothing in webmention.io returns 303 itself
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gRegorLove Hm, no it was https
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gRegorLove Let me check my code for 303s
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aaronpk oh i lied
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gRegorLove Unfortunately I didn't log the status URL or what it 303'd to
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aaronpk it returns 303 if a browser sends the request so that webmention forms work
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gRegorLove Interesting. I see 303 with other webmention.io, but they're definitely sent by cron not browser. Let me see if those other ones showed up.
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gRegorLove This one showed up. https://webmention.io/api/mentions?perPage=500&target=https://www.maxwelljoslyn.com/sithlordchallenge
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gRegorLove I'll start by fixing my URL truncation bug
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aaronpk i think it looks for the "Accept: text/html" header so maybe your client is sending that?
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aaronpk but in any case it's just the response code that's different, it still processes them the same
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gRegorLove Accept: application/json, application/xml, text/html
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gRegorLove which not even sure commas is correct there? Heh
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gRegorLove Not sure why I have application/xml there
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aaronpk it looks like it checks for the presence of text/html at all
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jacky just in case :)
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gRegorLove <justincase></justincase>
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Salt[m] interesting, unsure if this is normal markdown functionality, but urls are not automatically converted to links on the indieweb events page, see "Links" on https://events.indieweb.org/2020/04/online-homebrew-website-club-west-coast-Q8s6bDkwQGlT
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KartikPrabhu I don't think markdown does auto-linking
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gRegorLove I like the detailed schedule, Salt[m]. We should definitely track that on the wiki too so it doesn't get lost. I started https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club#Online_Format a couple weeks ago
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gRegorLove Small suggestions: move the first photo up to after intros / before discussions; "adds event to wiki" isn't needed anymore, the newsletter pulls from the event site.
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gRegorLove oops, meant that for #indieweb-meta