#dev 2020-05-05

2020-05-05 UTC
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GWG I have an air quality problem.
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GWG In Europe, the scale for air quality goes from 0-100, in the US, 0-500. Why can't countries just agree on something
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vilhalmer agreement requires communication
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jacky ^
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jacky the whole existence of the US came from lack of communication lol
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KartikPrabhu countries don't even agree on the metric system so.....
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vilhalmer you can just call out the US, we know who we are ;)
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GWG KartikPrabhu: But at least I can easily convert from metric to feet
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GWG And from celsius to fahrenheit
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KartikPrabhu you can convert from 0-100 and 0-500 much more easily
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KartikPrabhu divide/multiply by 5
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GWG KartikPrabhu: I need to research how the scales work.
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KartikPrabhu vilhalmer: there are 3 countries not using the metric system, so not just the US :P
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GWG KartikPrabhu: What are the others again?
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KartikPrabhu Liberia, Myanmar (I think)
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vilhalmer yeah I had forgotten about liberia, I thought it was just the two
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KartikPrabhu well the US does not even call it Myanmar, it is still Burma in the US
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KartikPrabhu so yeah "countries agreeing on things" is not a thing
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vilhalmer can't even agree on countries!
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GWG I haven't checked how my different reverse geocoding providers handle things.
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GWG I still remember when someone complained that the map onboard one airline showed Londonderry instead of Derry.
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vilhalmer even within the US people forget to draw the top half of my state on maps
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KartikPrabhu michigan?
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vilhalmer :)
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deltab GWG: what does 0 on the scales mean?
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GWG deltab:Not every country has one.
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GWG In Hong Kong, there is no 0.
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GWG Mainland China, 0-50 is Excellent
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GWG In India, 0-50 is Good
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GWG Same in Singapore and south Korea.
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GWG But some go to 400, 300, 500, 100...
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deltab a bigger number is worse?
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GWG deltab: Correct
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] So if I have in the head of my home page a <link rel="feed" href="..."> pointing to a list page with a h-feed of h-entrys with each one having their respective u-syndication link.
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] Hello everyone 👋
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] I’ve been using brid.gy for my site’s webmentions with twitter for some month la now. My tweets have the post link and now I kind of want to tweet without the link and I read is possible so I want to be sure that I’m understanding correctly.
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] And after that I can keep receiving webmentions from tweets without the post links. Am I right?
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KartikPrabhu yes
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[Ramiro_Ruiz] Awesome, thank you!
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KartikPrabhu [Ramiro_Ruiz]: you don't need to add it in the head, any link with a rel="feed" should work
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GWG Just updated my airport code lookup to work with ICAO as well as IATA codes.
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[LewisCowles] GWG RE: Londonderry / Derry, we had consistent complaints from _n_ users that Taiwan is not in China, leading to an issue opening against a Gem, which specifically covered that unless you can get ISO to revise their names, the name would stay. In the end I forked the Gem just to shut customer-service up, but really it shows that like data, taking on geographic regions can come with responsibilities that are interesting, but a time suck
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sknebel TIL you can do SVG favicons: https://twitter.com/blinry/status/1257621851473350657
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@blinry PSA: Recent versions of Firefox and Chrome can render SVG favicons, so you can easily do Emoji favicons like this! <link rel=icon href='data:image/svg+xml,<svg xmlns=%22http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 100 100"><text y=".9em" font-size="90">🤯</text></svg>'> (twitter.com/_/status/1257621851473350657)
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[schmarty] Neat feature! Lea Verou shared that some weeks ago and appears to have lost attribution along the way. https://mobile.twitter.com/leaverou/status/1241619866475474946
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@LeaVerou Now that all modern browsers support SVG favicons, here's how to turn any emoji into a favicon.svg: <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" viewBox="0 0 100 100"> <text y=".9em" font-size="90">💩</text> </svg> Useful for quick apps when you can't be bothered to design a favicon! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETsejDIU8AEP0l3.png (twitter.com/_/status/1241619866475474946)
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[LewisCowles] What do they read like? I think it's a nice idea, but without really specific markup I don't know what it'll be used for.
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[LewisCowles] TIL: figure has a visual margin by default... WHY
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[jgarber] [LewisCowles] Oh yeah, that gets me every time.
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[LewisCowles] hopefully it'll never get me on my own site. I was experimenting with a way to add a comment that was clearly a figcaption, and it didn't take long to fix
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[LewisCowles] this very second trying as hard as possible to find some leaked data
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[tantek] Handy: https://twitter.com/lukew/status/1257424501236813832
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@lukew starting today my book, Mobile First, is free for all online: http://mobile-first.abookapart.com thanks @abookapart! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXNE4jHU4AEgqeJ.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1257424501236813832)
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[LewisCowles] TIL: WiiWare used HTML as the documentation format
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[LewisCowles] and that the browser uses < 64MB RAM to display such documents
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[tw2113] If only we didn’t try to put everything we would on desktop, on mobile
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[LewisCowles] I suppose it's a time-space trade-off. It might be possible to take a really long time to render efficient HTML, but then it would take too long; and likely be browser + version specific.
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[tantek] is anyone keeping track of failed "just use RSS and add an extension!" strawman proposals? seems like that meme keeps generating new variants despite that fact that like zero of those have had any impact/uptake at all in 10+ years.
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[tantek] e.g. http://interconnected.org/home/2020/04/16/rss_for_books (found via adactio post about extending h-entry for /read posts, replacing GoodReads etc.)
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aaronpk with one notable exception
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aaronpk :)
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[tantek] Nope that was more than 10 years ago
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[KevinMarks] We could counter propose microformats tunneling over rss. Put the structure in the description
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[tantek] yes there is a class of things you can do as a billion dollar company that others cannot
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[tantek] And did not come from some rando dev.
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[tantek] *sometimes* do. billion dollar companies have far more XML failures than successes.
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[tantek] aaronpk, point being, one success from a billion dollar company does not make a methodology for innovation 😛
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[tantek] one success in nearly *two decades*
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[KevinMarks] Did you read the plist vuln?
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[tantek] right, number of XML parsers lol
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[KevinMarks] It was very box model hack
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aaronpk haha i guess it was more than 10 years agoo
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[KevinMarks] You mean podcasts? More than 15 years ago
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[tantek] yes Kevinmarks I was being generous 🙂
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[tantek] now, "more than 10 years ago" means, "before the indie web" 🙂
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[KevinMarks] There was a certain amount of "rando dev" there, but Apple built a good feedback loop around it.
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[KevinMarks] You could count gdata Atom extensions as a kind of success for similar reasons.
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[tantek] nope I'd count all of gdata as one big longfail
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[tantek] just made up that word and now looking for prior uses
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[KevinMarks] I was strongly against it internally, but that cost me a fair bit
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[tantek] the bigger the company, the slower to give up on "XML all the things!"
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[tantek] heh this is a good usage though maybe more appropriate for #indieweb thread: (up & down) https://twitter.com/gaberivera/status/500035931240280065
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@gaberivera @JoshConstine Ooohhh, I have a hashtag for this: #longfail (twitter.com/_/status/500035931240280065)
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/LanaMcCoy_/status/564618723596591104?s=20
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@LanaMcCoy_ "@Samynemir: Who told Pharell Williams to wear those shorts? #LongFail #GRAMMYs @EmekaThirtyFive" target="_blank">https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9XZ2u3IEAAPu2u.jpg"@EmekaThirtyFive (twitter.com/_/status/564618723596591104)
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[tantek] c'mon now that's definitely -chat material KevinMarks
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[KevinMarks] I was amused by the range of the hashtag
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[tantek] gRegorLove, GWG, chrisaldrich, I think this post by adactio is a strong nudge that we should consider holding a session to figure out a broader converged strategy for not only /read posts and a distributed GoodReads, but also /watch & /listen posts and their respective aggregations / histories / shelves / libraries (in the non-dev sense). https://adactio.com/journal/16803
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Reading
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[tantek] posting here because the topic has reached dev-levels of brainstorming (and I think we understand the user scenarios).
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[tantek] at a minimum I'd like to chat about it at HWC West Coast this week, and until then perhaps we can have some shorter chat sessions recalling where we got last time, and how we can take what next steps
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gRegorLove Definitely interesting in the conversation, though shelves / libraries feels like a big jump ahead when the individual posts are still very experimental
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gRegorLove *interested
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jacky ^
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[tantek] I have vague recollections at getting stuck on indicating / publishing "progress"
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[tantek] and that somehow overlapping with to-do / productivity
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[chrisaldrich] I've read that post and some of the others that prompted it several times now. Still have some of them open for further thinking.
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[tantek] same. and good! sounds like just the thing to discuss in a real time session then!
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[chrisaldrich] There are also a number of people who are thinking about/building things in other platforms and essentially reinventing the wheel.
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[tantek] gRegorLove, you're right, "shelves / libraries" are an adjacent related but likely separable problem, more to do with collecting / borrowing
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[tantek] I think it's necessary to at least discuss / document the connections between "read" and "shelves" because you can't avoid the comparison to GoodReads which has shelves
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[chrisaldrich] One in particular I've seen recently: https://github.com/mouse-reeve/fedireads. And they've been somewhat open to IndieWeb related ideas.
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Loqi [mouse-reeve] fedireads: Social reading and reviewing, decentralized with ActivityPub
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[chrisaldrich] tantek, are you thinking of something smaller on the level of an HWC discussion or something longer in the vein of a https://indieweb.org/2020/Pop-ups
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[tantek] start with smaller like a pre-planned topic for a HWC so the folks that care about it know to show up
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[chrisaldrich] 👍
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GWG We have one tomorrow
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[tantek] chrisaldrich, can you make sure any "number of people who are thinking about/building things in other platforms and essentially reinventing the wheel." are documented in /read#Brainstorming ?
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[chrisaldrich] I thought I may have added some somewhere recently, but I'll doublecheck.
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GWG Are there commonalities we want to note between reading watching and listening now or later?
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[KevinMarks] Hwc West is a bit late for UK time if your want adactio involved
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GWG [KevinMarks]: Is he an insomniac?
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[LewisCowles] possibly of interest? https://www.meetup.com/NeXt-Gen/events/270290070
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cal Hi, I'm trying to use the WordPress Micropub plugin, to test publishing to a wordpress.com blog.
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cal The Micropub plugin defaults to using https://indieauth.com/auth as the authorization_endpoint
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cal how do I tie a indieauth.com authorization to my wordpress.com account? or am I missing something?
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GWG Cal: Install the WordPress IndieAuth plugin, and it will turn your site into an IndieAuth endpoint.
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GWG Then, when you want to use IndieAuth, it will redirect to your site login.
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GWG So, if you login to your site using wordpress.com, then that will work
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GWG Cal: Also, we have a dedicated WordPress room
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cal oops sorry, moving there...
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GWG Not a problem. Just advising the option
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