#dev 2020-06-10

2020-06-10 UTC
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jmac Howdy all! I'm not sure why my note showed up as a Comment and not an RSVP on this event page; I assume my markup isn't quite right, but I'm not sure how? https://events.indieweb.org/2020/06/online-indieweb-meetup-nyc-Vvg1d4IlQSKO
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jmac (My note: https://jmac.org/notes/indieweb-nyc-2020-06.html)
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Loqi [Jason McIntosh] Yes, I am planning to attend the June 2020 IndieWeb Meetup NYC. Hoping to have an update about Whim, talk about how I'm publishing Notes to my own website now, and hear about what y'all are up to.
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aaronpk let's take a look..
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aaronpk https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjmac.org%2Fnotes%2Findieweb-nyc-2020-06.html
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Loqi [Jason McIntosh] Yes, I am planning to attend the June 2020 IndieWeb Meetup NYC. Hoping to have an update about Whim, talk about how I'm publishing Notes to my own website now, and hear about what y'all are up to.
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aaronpk aha it's "Yes" instead of "yes"
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aaronpk checks /rsvp
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jmac aaronpk: I keep forgetting about all your checker-tools, embarrassed
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/h-entry#p-rsvp
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aaronpk looks like only lowercase is expected
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[tantek] case-insensitive!
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[tantek] lol
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aaronpk ah it does say that
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aaronpk lol
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[tantek] it literally says righ there "Case-insensitive values, normalized to lowercase"
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[tantek] gives up on spec writing
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aaronpk in that case i would suggest adding an example as such :)
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[tantek] only because you already edited the wiki since export
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aaronpk ?
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jmac I changed my "yes" to a <data> value and it's still a comment, boo
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aaronpk hm and yes I'm looking at Meetable source and it looks like it should be handling it case insensitively anyway
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aaronpk strange, it's even stored as an RSVP internally
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aaronpk the plot thickens...
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jmac Is my note too long or chatty somehow? ISTR that caused some confusion earlier (when I tried to use a full-length blog article as my RSVP)
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aaronpk the length doesn't matter, but if it has a "name" then that might look weird
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jmac The entry doesn't, according to that MF2 parser output
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jmac (and my intent_
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aaronpk well your post looks right and is stored properly in meetable, so it looks like a bug in how it displays stuff
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jmac oops. "you're welcome"
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aaronpk welp guess i'll go deal with that right now
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jacky another data, another chance to find a bug in the mf2 parser I'm using :)
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jacky it doesn't support <data> elements (which would be super useful for things hiding an author or the likes)
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jmac I'm helping!
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@dealmeida ↩️ @ohhelloana this is inspired by one of your posts. Tried to send a webmention but found no endpoint. :) (twitter.com/_/status/1270538790784778240)
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aaronpk aHA
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aaronpk that took me too long to debug
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aaronpk jmac: your post has no in-reply-to property! so there's no indication of what you're RSVPing *to*
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[tantek] does it link to the event at least?
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aaronpk yes, which is why it shows up under comments
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aaronpk really need an RSVP validator
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aaronpk it would have caught this immediately
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[tantek] comments or mentions? it should only show up as a comment if it has an in-reply-to!
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aaronpk it doesn't distinguish, i didn't think that was an important enough distinction here
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jmac aaronpk: Wot! I didn't know it needed one... dang, sorry to make you sink your night into my broken markup
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jmac My RSVP note from last month doesn't have one either, but I wonder if I also hit the on-page "I'm going!" button too and confused myself
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jmac updates his templates
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@bixtweets This is how I’m thinking about displaying trackbacks, pingbacks, and webmentions. Although, truth be told, I don’t really get any. The entire item would be the link to the post which sent the ping, to make it easier. (twitter.com/_/status/1270566656646033411)
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@icodefy Jumping Into Webmentions With NextJS (or Not) http://dlvr.it/RYKvYJ (twitter.com/_/status/1270593296708952064)
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jacky been collecting some sites whose designs really stand out to me for inspiration as I read / skim "Refactoring UI" (by the Tailwind people) and "hello, startup"
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jacky one that really sticks out is https://signal.org/#signal
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jacky don't be surprised if you see something similar :)
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[tantek] what is design examples
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "design examples" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "design examples is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] hmm thought we had a page for that
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jacky It's also interesting how many sites use Inter https://rsms.me/inter/
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jacky it might be just the preferred "fall back" font for non-Mac devices
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[tantek] looks like we were only collecting actual personal indieweb site examples https://indieweb.org/design#IndieWeb_Examples
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jacky that makes sense (semantically)
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@isellsoap ↩️ Just curious, is deletion of content supported? I’m trying to successfully accomplish this test: https://webmention.rocks/delete/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1270644006171574272)
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RonParsons Hello
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RonParsons During the worldwide quarantine of COVID-19, home fitness exercises became especially important. A great guide on how to create fitness application: https://riseapps.co/how-to-create-a-fitness-app-tips-and-monetization-checklist/
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[itsjustk] ive been on again, off again been working on a kind of gamification fiteness app
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[itsjustk] for a long....long....long time haha
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@calebthompson ↩️ @tomcritchlow Does it send Webmentions? (twitter.com/_/status/1270696189822992384)
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@dealmeida ↩️ Thanks! I just added support for webmention to my blog, so it could be something on my end. I'll double check! (twitter.com/_/status/1270734561257766912)
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aaronpk google++ https://9to5google.com/2020/06/07/google-chrome-blacklist-blocklist-more-inclusive/
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Loqi google has -1 karma in this channel over the last year (-6 in all channels)
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@bixtweets Webmentions are strange, at least in how the WordPress plugin handles them, as they contain far less context about the pinging post — which is to say none whatsoever. Old-fashioned trackbacks and pingbacks at least include a snippet of the post which ... https://bix.blog/2020/06/10/webmentions-are-strange.html (twitter.com/_/status/1270804841007386625)
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[tantek] wat, that doesn't make sense. GWG perhaps ask them what's going wrong? ^^^
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GWG No Semantic Linkbacks plugin or no microformats
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@bixtweets “If your software fails you,” writes Evgeny Kuznetsov, “it’s not always an indication that something is wrong with the protocol.” Which might be why my webmentions post this replies to begins, “Webmentions are strange, at least in how the WordPress ... https://bix.blog/2020/06/10/if-your-software.html (twitter.com/_/status/1270812197967605760)
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[snarfed] plugin split strikes again 😭
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GWG [snarfed]: I am awaiting the last PR merge on the matter since December.
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GWG It is slow work
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[snarfed] 4 years slow? 5?
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[snarfed] sounds like much of the delay is that pfefferle doesn't have much time available for wordpress plugin work? PRs wait weeks, months, to be merged?
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[snarfed] that seems...not ideal. remind me if you've asked him to add you as a committer, so you don't have to block every PR on him?
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GWG [snarfed]: He can handle small PRs, but everything with mf2 is larger
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[snarfed] sure. hence my q's
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GWG [snarfed]: I am, but merge requires a review
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GWG He's the only reviewer
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[snarfed] ah. sounds like you need to recruit another reviewer!
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GWG And when he's busy, I go work on something else till he's done
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GWG [snarfed]: Easier said than done
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[snarfed] or reconsider that policy, if it's causing this much harm to plugin development
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GWG Same problem for the other IW plugins
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[snarfed] i'd estimate that the slowness of development is more harmful than any benefit you currently get from reviews
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GWG I will make my next project cleaning up my outstanding PRs though
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[snarfed] ie, does he often have useful feedback in the reviews, that result in meaningful improvements to the PRs? or are the reviews usually rubber stamps?
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GWG I think I have one where I didn't do what he asked in IndieAuth
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GWG Mixed
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[snarfed] right. sounds like you need either another reviewer or to change that policy, or both
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GWG [snarfed]: I really want to finish the rewrite and get to feature changes people asked for
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GWG On IndieAuth I want to merge the remote endpoint code in and stop maintaining a second copy in Micropub
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GWG Etc
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GWG How do you recruit reviewers?
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[pfefferle] I think it is not a good idea to change the policy! We had some serious issues with the indieauth plugin
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[pfefferle] I also do not think it is me blocking development.
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[pfefferle] It is hard to discuss basic design patterns for the re-write of the Webmention plugin
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[pfefferle] It is not the reviewing that blocks things
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[pfefferle] (In my opinion)
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GWG [pfefferle]: The design is hard, and the combination of work, timezones, etc...
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[snarfed] ok! thank you both for working on it. we appreciate it!
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[snarfed] you two know the details better than me. it just makes me sad that we've known for years that the plugin split is bad for UX, and agreed for years that we plan to merge them, and yet it still hasn't happened yet
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GWG [pfefferle]: I am not blaming you, just really wish we could figure out how to proceed
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GWG [pfefferle]: While you are here, since the mf2 pr is stalled, I may do some unit tests, which should help you feel better about the code
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[pfefferle] But it is not that easy to merge both. We did a lot of things wrong for the sl plugin (comment types, reactjis, ...)
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[pfefferle] It does not make things better if we simply merge them
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[snarfed] i think, net, it would definitely make things better for _users_. if it doesn't make things better for you all, that may be an ok tradeoff
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[pfefferle] Do you really think the two plugins is a big show stopper? I would argue that the issues and glitches are more frustrating than installing two plugins
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[snarfed] nothing here is a show stopper. but i personally think it's maybe the second most important thing to do to improve the wordpress indieweb experience overall
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GWG I will do a run after I finish https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/49116
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GWG I promised them a PR
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[Paulo_Pinto] • hi. i am using LoveIt Hugo theme on my website. Documentations says: *rssFullText*:  if `true`, the full text content will be shown in RSS. When I test my site's feed at webmention.app no webmentions are found. If I paste the note's URL, everything is fine. As I want to use the webhook with Netlify, I need RSS feed to fetch webmentions. Alternatively, I could run a curl command everytime I build my website. How can I embed a curl co
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[Paulo_Pinto] in my single.html? Thanks for any possible help.
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@w3bk3rn3l Webmention test: https://paulopinto.page/2020/06/10/webmention-test.html (twitter.com/_/status/1270848294076452865)
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[KevinMarks] markdown << almost as bad at nested lists as RDF https://twitter.com/WebReflection/status/1270820434020372482?s=20
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@WebReflection markdown UX shenanigans 1. this is parent 1. this is child 1 * this is parent * this is child 1 one works, one doesn't ... the ordered list requires an extra space on the new line ... but *why* ??? (twitter.com/_/status/1270820434020372482)
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Loqi ok, I added "almost as bad at nested lists as RDF https://twitter.com/WebReflection/status/1270820434020372482?s=20" to the "See Also" section of /markdown https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=70305&oldid=68760
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