#dev 2020-07-06

2020-07-06 UTC
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[tw2113] Well I feel better now...upgraded my server from PHP7.2 to 7.4
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aaronpk whoa big change
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aaronpk lots of breaking changes in 7.4
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[tw2113] 8 will be even more interesting
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aaronpk oof
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aaronpk not looking forward to that tbh
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[tw2113] honestly, i probably need to upgrade mariadb more. I'm on 5.5.x which lost support in April
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jacky just went through the hassle of upgrading nextcloud (didn't realize I was two major versions behind!)
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jacky couldn't log in because the TOTP functions are "untested" in the latest version >_<
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[tw2113] actually no
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[tw2113] i'm on 10.0.38 already
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[tw2113] so i think i'm good till 2023 😄
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jacky lol!
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jacky TIL that nextcloud has appointments support
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jacky I might be able to drop calendly!
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aaronpk oh nice
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[tw2113] check that. 10.0.38 is obsolete by a year+
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[tw2113] Now I'm on 10.3.x
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[tw2113] numbers....what are they good for
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KartikPrabhu absolutely nothing, huh
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[tw2113] exactly
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[tw2113] outside of likely holding live, the universe, and everything together...
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@beeman_nl ↩️ I have seen 'Webmentions' appear a few times over the last few days, while orienting for my new site. Did not do the deep dive yet but it might be a nice solution. (twitter.com/_/status/1279954537491693568)
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@CharlieRoseMari I keep opening my microsub reader, then get sad because it obviously not working without the site. :( (twitter.com/_/status/1279976048730312704)
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[Nishant_Mendir] Hello Everyone,
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[Nishant_Mendir] I'm Nishant Mendiratta, I ❤ Javascript, and always get fascinated by new technology. Currently, Living in Singapore, specialized in building high-performance web applications.
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KartikPrabhu Hi [Nishant_Mendir] do you have a personal website?
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[tw2113] welcome to the indieweb and its slack/irc channels
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[Nishant_Mendir] Thanks [tw2113] 🙏
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[Nishant_Mendir] *Something i want to share..*
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[Nishant_Mendir] As a curious software engineer, I'm always working on a side hustle. I've abandoned 10s of my projects because of the lack of consistency and no community support. So, I'm here to be a part of this community. I'm willing to actively participate in discussions or any type of engagement, ready to help others as well and expect the same.
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[chrisaldrich] wishes IndieWeb were my main hustle...
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[tw2113] [chrisaldrich] for what it's worth, if I had a spare million or two, I'd give it to you so this could be true. 🙂
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[tw2113] you know, invest well enough so that it rolls over and maintains itself financially.
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[jgmac1106] work can turn wishes into reality
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[jgmac1106] but something off between hustle/side hustle like we need more work for happiness or we equate labor with hustle...not sure and def not dev...just chat'
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[manton] [aaronpk] I think that newlines problem is specific with replies from Webmention. It works for regular posts, but for some reason gets a text version for replies. I know this has come up before and I just need to fix the bug.
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[manton] I’ll use your latest reply as a test and update the copy on Micro.blog when I fix it.
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aaronpk 👍
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[manton] Fixed.
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aaronpk That was fast!
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aaronpk [manton]++
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Loqi [manton] has 17 karma in this channel over the last year (54 in all channels)
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GWG aaronpk: Can I pick your brain again about maps? I'm trying to make [asuh] happy
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GWG I spent some time on your old code. And I
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GWG 'm still confused about violations of terms of service
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aaronpk sure what's the question?
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GWG Essentially, Esri charges...but they've never commented on your usage of their tile server
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GWG OSM is fine as long as you attribute, which the code attributes, but to Esri, so I'd have to fix that
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GWG Your website appears to be using Mapbox
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GWG Who says you can't store anything
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GWG If I'm doing something in WordPress, which could touch hundreds...I need to make sure I'm not violating, even if liberally interpreting, the intents of the content providers
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GWG So, how do I solve this issue, short of running my own tile server
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GWG Which is not going to happen
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aaronpk most of the ToS will provide the option for you to cache the tiles, so just choose a definition of caching that you are comfortable with
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aaronpk but also i am not providing legal advice :)
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GWG More experience advice
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GWG It says the tiles can be up to 7 days old
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GWG So I programmed nginx to cache for 7 days
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aaronpk generally the map providers want to make sure that they can make changes to the underlying data and that the changes will be reflected where their tiles appear
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GWG That's why I want to keep your endpoint code separate, even though I'm going to send some PRs
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GWG I already did one
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[tantek] What is perf
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "perf" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "perf is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] What is performance
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Loqi Performance typically refers to the speed, responsiveness, and initial load of a website https://indieweb.org/performance
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[tantek] perf is /performance
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] perf << example: https://twitter.com/kornelski/status/1280153973505302532
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@kornelski I've built https://lib.rs. Several people asked me "how did you make it *so fast*? Was it a framework? SeviceWorker? WASM?" Nope. It's plain HTML. There isn't a single line of JavaScript anywhere. Only cacheable static files. (twitter.com/_/status/1280153973505302532)
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Loqi ok, I added "example: https://twitter.com/kornelski/status/1280153973505302532" to the "See Also" section of /performance https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=71264&oldid=66245
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[Ana_Rodrigues] Is anyone else getting a “ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS” error when navigating in websites that are hosted by netlify?
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[Ana_Rodrigues] actually, nevermind. I’m too tired 😞 I’m sure it will go away
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[jgmac1106] aaronpk in terms of colors..struggle with using the three colors in design too birght as is...never know how to use different tints and hues...
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[jgmac1106] ^^ if any designers or color geeks want to add a few pallets based on logo wiki be super swell
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GWG aaronpk: Would you be able to quickly review my PR? I think with a few updates, I can add it as a self-hosted provider option
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GWG I need to make an overlay attribution png for the other providers as well. That would cover everything
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aaronpk sure i can take a look in a bit
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GWG aaronpk: Thanks
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GWG There may be a point I can't do upstream, but I think I still can
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GWG [jgmac1106]: Micropub import would work now
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GWG No need to change... just post one at a time
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GWG Unless we want to propose a bulk import extension to Micropub... but likely not worth it
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jgmac1106 gwg, be the export that is hard to do…..how do you parse every single file given a domain?
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GWG As for microfornats2 export...also easy enough
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jgmac1106 or maybe it is given an h-feed
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GWG Who is exporting?
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GWG If it's WordPress...the WordPress exporter does it
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GWG I should look at that experimental format that [manton] proposed
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jgmac1106 anyone except those named Alice, Bob, and Charlie
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Loqi yea!
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jgmac1106 inoreader uses mantons json blogging feed rather than mf2 for micro.blog subcriptions I think, but don’t quote
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GWG jgmac1106: Did you check the Jsonfeed plugin for WordPress issue list?
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GWG https://github.com/manton/jsonfeed-wp/issues/30
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Loqi [dshanske] #30 Add JSONFeed Importer
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jgmac1106 no, but about to record a new how to SemPress video series…hey is Independent Publisher changes live on wp.org or just a github repo
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GWG jgmac1106: Indieweb Publisher? No
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GWG It needs an update though
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GWG There are bugs
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jgmac1106 okay just recommending SemPress then. lemme crank on these, sorry for the Wordpress cross chatter
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GWG I'm pleased with iw26.
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GWG I use i
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jacky most of the work I've been doing now has been removing a lot of tech debt / cruft I had in koype's templating (lots of presumption / jekyll-mannerisms) and it reminds me each time that PHP is truly the templating engine and programming language in one lol
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jacky like I miss it (kinda)
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Loqi misses it too
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jacky squints in "loqi's not a true bot"
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jacky hands loqi a small token of gratitude
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jacky squints even harder
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[KevinMarks] I am filling that niche with nunjucks / jinja2 which has enough programming in the templates
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jacky tbh I want to take the programming _out_ of the template
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jacky like maybe a bit of iterative control
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jacky but nothing else
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[KevinMarks] That is mostly what I do with it, though the macros and conditionals can be useful too.
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[KevinMarks] They're basically given a json blob and can walk through it at will to make a layout
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[tantek] gives Loqi a token
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Loqi throws the token
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[tantek] better than throwing an exception I suppose?
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[tantek] Should we call this the "Hotel California" dark pattern? https://twitter.com/siong1987/status/1278982695805042689
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@siong1987 i was trying out the Dave app to see how it worked. this was probably the craziest account cancellation step*s* i had ever gone through. https://twitter.com/siong1987/status/1278982695805042689/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1278982695805042689)
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aaronpk wow
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