#dev 2020-08-04

2020-08-04 UTC
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[tantek] wow [KevinMarks]! that's great. which API are you using as that sounds like it still works and is worth switching to (instead of the immediate save curl thing)
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[KevinMarks] that was on https://web.archive.org/save/ but I may have been logged in by defaulr
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[KevinMarks] hm, looks like it works logged out too, but same 'The capture is estimated to start in 674 minutes.'
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[KevinMarks] so check in 11 hours?
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[KevinMarks] Docs for the new api https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Nsv52MvSjbLb2PCpHlat0gkzw0EvtSgpKHu4mk0MnrA/edit
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[KevinMarks] so the old API is supposed to enqueue in the new api
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@WarHappens Sierra One: A Yankee Stretch Story – with a moonbay for microsub Paltus http://warhappens.com/sierra-one-a-yankee-stretch-story/ (twitter.com/_/status/1290486578020679681)
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[manton] [KevinMarks] Excellent, thanks! I’m going to switch over to that version of the Wayback API.
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GWG I may add Wayback in as an option
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[pfefferle] GWG are you still awake?
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GWG Yes, I probably shouldn't be
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GWG Why?
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[pfefferle] I prepare a presentation about the indieweb
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GWG Yes?
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[pfefferle] and I want to show an indie reader
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GWG Okay
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[pfefferle] but it is not possible to loginto monocle with wordpress
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[pfefferle] I can use quill
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[pfefferle] but when I try to login to monocle I see an “The token endpoint could not verify this access token”
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GWG That's strange....I was able to do it with yarns and IndieAuth the last time I checked.
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GWG When is the presentation? I'll do some checks
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Loqi A presentation or slide deck is an online version of the visual portion of a demonstration typically presented in person at a conference, workshop, or other event https://indieweb.org/presentation
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[pfefferle] tomorrow evening
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[pfefferle] I tried it with yarns and aperture
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GWG Odd... I'm using it with indigenous right now
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GWG I really want to figure out why some servers have issues and some can't
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GWG As a stopgap, you could enable the remote auth option
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[pfefferle] how?
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[pfefferle] to use indieauth.com?
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[pfefferle] To show it in a presentation I would prefer a web client instead of indigenous 😉
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Ruxton i actually got that err after updating and just rolled back, didn't have time to look into it
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Ruxton my local ownyourgram fork just stopped authing with WP after updating to latest indieauth
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[pfefferle] what was the last version that worked?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "last version that worked" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "last version that worked is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG [pfefferle]: Check 3.4.2
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[chrisaldrich] uh, oh... it's not just me apparently with indieauth issues...
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[pfefferle] ok
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GWG Ruxton: I was about to say that [chrisaldrich] had a similar problem
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GWG But I need some data as to why...I can't reproduce it
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Ruxton yeah I'll take a look later in the week and see what I can dig up
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Ruxton pretty certain I can reproduce it
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[chrisaldrich] I rolled back to 3.4.2 which was the last version where I didn't have a problem...
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Ruxton same
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[chrisaldrich] I haven't been able to log any useful troubleshooting data. It's getting late here and I've got to be up early for east coast meetings in the morning....
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Ruxton https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieauth/commit/fb5cfacf72f9e020774bb7754aad9bf8b2ce892f#diff-b9f64a453dcbdf2482bd0f2b8aaeef5dR59 <-- shouldn't that be $load = INDIEAUTH_REMOTE_MODE == 1 ? 'remote
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Ruxton oh nevermind
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GWG That just disables the remote code imported from Micropub when I removed it
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[pfefferle] hmmm, still not be able to login to monocle 😞
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GWG My live and test sites are on completely different servers and both work
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[pfefferle] now it seems to be yarns?
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GWG Hmmm...I never tested it on Apache
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GWG And things were going so well
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Ruxton my hosted site is nginx, but I was authing an apache hosted site
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[pfefferle] do I also have to revert the micropub version?
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GWG [pfefferle]: I thought you were working against microsub
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GWG Micropub should have nothing to do with it
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Ruxton possibly? mines on 2.1.0, newes is 2.2.1
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GWG Ruxton: He's trying to get Microsub working. Micropub shouldn't affect that
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GWG I guess I will go over the code... but with no clues....
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[pfefferle] works now 🙂
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[pfefferle] my hoster has porblems with the authorisation header
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[pfefferle] the check seems to be broken
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GWG I will investigate the check system then
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GWG Although right now, it is way past the time I should be asleep
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GWG Honestly..that authorization header is always the problem
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[pfefferle] thanks for the quick help!
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[pfefferle] GWG++
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Loqi GWG has 24 karma in this channel over the last year (136 in all channels)
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[pfefferle] Ruxton++
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Loqi Ruxton has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (6 in all channels)
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[pfefferle] chrisaldrich++
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[pfefferle] works like a charm 🙂
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[pfefferle] (if it works 😉 )
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[tantek] What is UI
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Loqi User interface, often abbreviated as UI, formerly called human interface (HI), refers to presentational and interactive design elements of potentially any tool, but usually electronic tools, specifically their hardware and/or software https://indieweb.org/ui
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[tantek] UI << “building blocks” for UI: 2020-08 [https://www.designedbycave.co.uk/2020/LEGO-Interface-UX/ The UX of LEGO Interface Panels] (actually UI not UX because for one the panels are all static)
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Loqi ok, I added "“building blocks” for UI: 2020-08 [https://www.designedbycave.co.uk/2020/LEGO-Interface-UX/ The UX of LEGO Interface Panels] (actually UI not UX because for one the panels are all static)" to the "See Also" section of /user-interface https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=71848&oldid=64122
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[tb] Ah yay my Twitter developer application got approved
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Loqi 😃
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@xvrdm ↩️ @sioc is the closest I can think of. But doesn’t seem there is a lot of news about it. Webmention is also fascinating https://alistapart.com/article/webmentions-enabling-better-communication-on-the-internet/ (twitter.com/_/status/1290692453545193473)
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aaronpk Meetable is listed here now! https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted#polls-and-events
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[schmarty] woo!
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[tb] Nice!
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GWG aaronpk: Congratulations on making another awesome list
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[tantek] nice! meetable++
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Loqi meetable has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (4 in all channels)
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[tantek] what is gobo.social
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gobo.social" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "gobo.social is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] What is Gobo
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Gobo" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Gobo is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Gobo is an open source [[social media]] aggregator / [[reader]] that has various filters. https://github.com/mitmedialab/gobo
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Loqi ok
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@FrankTldr ↩️ Pour les commentaires il y a les mentions web, qui te permettent de rappatrier les réactions sur le web à tes billets de blog sur ton site. Un exemple implémentation simple avec @GoHugoIO via un service: https://anaulin.org/blog/adding-webmentions/ (twitter.com/_/status/1290765532531171329)
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[KevinMarks] Petition to rename the protocol to "les mentions web"
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[KevinMarks] "billets de blog" also sounds rather good
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[tantek] I got a demo of Gobo and it looks like quite an interesting reader/aggregator, that focuses on various social media, however has response buttons (like web actions) which use links to go to site-specific reaction mechanisms (e.g. Twitter "intent" pop-ups). It's also open source
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[tantek] the backend is in Python, FYI [KevinMarks] [fluffy] KarthikPrabhu
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[tantek] https://github.com/mitmedialab/gobo
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[fluffy] ah neat
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Loqi [mitmedialab] gobo: 💭 Gobo: Your social media. Your rules.
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[tantek] right now it has the usual one-off account creation flow, however looks like it could be modified to allow IndieAuth sign-in as well
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[tantek] and a natural fit for Micropub and Microsub
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[fluffy] I should look at that and see if it has a UX that’s along the lines of what I want in a reader. I’d rather contribute authenticated feed stuff to that than to build my own dang reader.
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[fluffy] I mean I’m still tempted to add authenticated feed stuff to Feed-on-Feeds except that I know just how much of a pain in the ass it would be to do well
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[tantek] it looks like it is barely maintained and open to someone taking the initiative
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Loqi yea!
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[fluffy] … oh, yeah that’s a pretty abandoned-looking codebase
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[tantek] however it is live and running and you can play with it at gobo.social
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[tantek] my understanding is that the folks that created it are open to having other folks come in and help move it along
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[fluffy] … I’m not seeing any rss/atom subscription stuff in here, just twitter and mastodon and facebook
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[fluffy] and the UX is still just the firehose-of-information timeline thing I hate so much
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[fluffy] looks like a nice initiative that I have no interest in as a user 🙂
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[tantek] the filters are the interesting part. haven't seen anything else that has that
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[KevinMarks] Feed subscription in python is a mostly solved problem