#dev 2020-09-11

2020-09-11 UTC
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[tantek] I feel like there's some thing dev / location related here in parallel to hanging phones from trees (running servers on phones that hang from trees?) but it's a fascinating geo-hack: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-01/amazon-drivers-are-hanging-smartphones-in-trees-to-get-more-work
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@EatPodcast ↩️ The simplest syndication tool in many respects is http://Brid.gy which you can hook up to your site. There are also plugins for some CMS like WP and Drupal and the one I’m using, Known. (twitter.com/_/status/1304312570740985856)
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jamietanna[m] "maxwelljoslyn" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_maxwelljoslyn:matrix.org) I'm similar to schmarty - I've got a Hugo site so use Hugo's JSON support for the files. I have a few top-level properties which are needed by Hugo, but then use MF2 JSON internally for representing the normalised MF2 JSON ie https://gitlab.com/jamietanna/jvt.me/-/commit/42890ef5e88d13251838bbf654feb36a132c46e2
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jamietanna[m] When doing queries, I've got a mix of my Micropub server using the GitLab REST API to read files, and building some metadata with my site's build ie https://www.jvt.me/contacts.json
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@petermolnar ↩️ What is the problem you'd like to solve? There are many way to syndicate; ranging to WordPress plugins, through https://brid.gy , to tools like @integromat, @IFTTT, @zapier. The real question is the issue at hand. (twitter.com/_/status/1304329708662919168)
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willnorris nekr0z: (moving dev discussion over here from #indieweb)... if you've got code to pull out the representative hcard, how would you feel about contributing that to the library. I already have a https://pkg.go.dev/willnorris.com/go/microformats/ptd package for doing post type discovery, and it would be helpful to have one or more other subpackages for doing this kind of interpretation of parsed microformats
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nekr0z <willnorris "nekr0z: (moving dev discussion o"> As it turns out, my code is very flaky and doesn't work reliably yet. I'll contribute as soon as I have something at least half-decent.
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nekr0z willnorris: Turns out, one absolutely has to consider the order of h-cards on the page to correclty identify the representative one
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[tb] Phew.. the modern frontend ecosystem is bewildering lol
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[tb] I've always been on the backend/infra/automation side and I'm jumping in the deep end with Next.js to make my Micropub client—which is more of an excuse for me to jump in the deep end on experience with frontend that I'm lacking
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nekr0z sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/tlPosKPBwiGthMOOdbibXzuL/message.txt >
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[tantek] The “modern front end ecosystem” is unsustainable. Unless someone is paying you for a specific version/flavor of it, I’d say it’s a poor investment of time (only ephemerally useful, most of what you learn today will be useless in a year or two)
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[tb] That's somewhat why I've avoided it for so long
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[tantek] The core web platform pieces will continue to outlast all the fancy “toolchain” nonsense
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[tb] But there's definitely some longer term learnings I'd like to get out of it right now which are yeah the core bits, including things like a11y
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[tantek] Right, that stuff, a11y in various specs, ARIA, is a much better investment
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[tb] That said though, the ecosystem I've thrown myself into for this project (Next.js/React) seems to have matured in most of the foundational places now
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[tb] I remember back in the Ruby on Rails 2.3 and then 3.0 days when you were constantly fighting the toolchain still
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[tb] That was my whole profession though so I didn't mind lol
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[tb] With frontend here I just want to be a consumer really — no interest in hacking deep into the tools to make them work, they just have to work
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[tb] Speaking of contributions though — dunno if the maintainers of the Ruby microformats lib hang out here but I was wondering if it would be appropriate to PR support there for h-app/h-x-app
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sknebel which library do you mean?
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sknebel [tb]: ^^^
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GWG sknebel: You busy tomorrow?
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sknebel not decided yet. I am connectivity-challenged though. I assume you are asking about the microformats session - is there a list of discussion topics already? I might try and join
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GWG sknebel: There is. You could also send notes in the issues.
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GWG https://indieweb.org/2020/Pop-ups/Microformats
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GWG Also, feel free to add
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GWG Hope I'm not being a pest trying to get attendance. Someone tell me if I am
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sknebel you are not I think
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GWG All right then...
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GWG Zegnat: Would love to hear you there too...as the leader in h-card size
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[tb] [sknebel] https://github.com/microformats/microformats-ruby
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Loqi [microformats] microformats-ruby: Ruby gem that parse HTML containing microformats/microformats2 and returns Ruby objects, a Ruby hash or a JSON hash
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[tb] I'd like to use it in my indieauth_discovery gem for the client information discovery class
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sknebel a parser shouldn't need "support" for any microformat type
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[tb] The Ruby one in particular appears to though https://github.com/microformats/microformats-ruby/blob/master/lib/microformats/parser_core.rb
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sknebel where?
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sknebel http://ruby.microformats.io/submissions/58
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[tb] Ah you know what I might've just written my fixture incorrectly..... ignore me 🙂
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sknebel the explicit references to mf2 types and properties in the file you linked all seem to be about backcompat
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[tb] Huh no my fixture was correct https://ruby.microformats.io/submissions/59
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sknebel where there are specific rules how to turn specific microformats1 into microformats2 - and thus needs lists of properties/types
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[tb] Ah yeah I read it more closely now, there appears to be some silly problem in my own code here that's not passing the full response body
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[tb] My bad 😞 Too hasty
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sknebel happens to all of us occasionally, happy to rubberduck :)
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sknebel and these things (e.g. "parsers do not care about types") are not always obvious
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GWG What is rubberduck?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "rubberduck" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "rubberduck is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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petermolnar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging
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sknebel (my use here was not quite accurate, since I gave information)
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@fourierfiend ↩️ Checking out http://Brid.gy now! Thanks (twitter.com/_/status/1304468218292117507)
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@PinoBatch ↩️ What login should a service use instead? Email and password is hard given that the major email providers (such as Gmail and Outlook) don't already trust the MSA from which you send account confirmations and PW resets. IndieAuth? Good luck walking users through starting a website. (twitter.com/_/status/1304552815256313858)
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