#dev 2020-09-28

2020-09-28 UTC
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@u2island 댓글은 가고 Webmentions가 온다 https://news.hada.io/topic?id=2902 "블로그의 Pingback 과 마찬가지로 해당 글에 대해서 다른 곳에서 링크를 올리거나 언급했음을 알려주는 기능. Like, Retweet, Reply 등을 하나의 정보 구조로 묶을수 있음" (twitter.com/_/status/1310400360381464581)
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@oss_rb http://webmention.io - Easily enable webmentions and pingbacks on any web page https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io (twitter.com/_/status/1310431820476026882)
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Zegnat nekr0z: the way OpenID does what I would consider aliasing of one identity to another seems interesting. And seems slightly different from what my PR is suggesting. I tried to add some clearer examples of the difference to the PR.
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Zegnat Definitely something to think about.
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nekr0z Zegnat: yes, you're right, and I'm reading openID spec same way as you (in that it's kinda doing the opposite to what you're trying to do). But I've seen examples of openID clients in the wild that actually do the opposint of what openID spec expects and result in the behavior you're shooting for.
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Zegnat OpenID will probably never stop to confuse me with their mix of implementations
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nekr0z What openID spec implies is that if I have e.com that has evgenykuznetsov.org for openid.delegate, and I try to auth as e.com at a client, the client should use evgenykuznetsov.org to auth me, but record that I'm e.com. If I also have e.me (using evgenykuznetsov.org for openid.delegate, too) and try to auth at the same client, it should record that I'm e.me now, and not the same user as e.com - that's the idea, it seems.
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nekr0z what many clients actually do in that scenario is record me as evgenykuznetsov.org, thus making e.com and e.me the same user. Tottally not what the spec intends, but kinda what you're shooting for :)
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Zegnat Yeah, that would be what I am aiming for.
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Zegnat And indeed, from the spec there is some sort of magic aliasing happening within the clients (which they call consumers)
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Zegnat nekr0z: do you think what I am proposing would be able to fulfil your usecase as you have it today?
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Zegnat I would much rather work for usecases, than try to reach some sort of OpenID parity
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nekr0z Zegnat: oh, totally! What you're trying to do is actually what I'm looking for, and not only I, as recent discussions in my local language indieweb chat seem to indicate :)
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Zegnat Awesome! :D We just need to have a good conversation with IndieAuth implementers and see what their thoughts are too. Did not want to push this through just on a whim.
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[KevinMarks] hm, this is interesting: https://blog.cloudflare.com/asynchronous-htmlrewriter-for-cloudflare-workers/ - can you rewrite other people's HTML to add webmentions or mf2?
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[KevinMarks] also https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-workers-durable-objects/
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jamietanna[m] Is there a way to mark up alt tags /get MF2 parsers to understand them? It's a bit of a shame not to get them parsed
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aaronpk alt tag parsing was incorporated into the spec a while ago
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aaronpk https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/2
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Loqi [aaronpk] #2 image alt text is lost during parsing
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aaronpk http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parse_an_img_element_for_src_and_alt
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jamietanna[m] Ah woops, looks like it was my bad earlier when I had an invalid `u-photo`, all good 🙃
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[michael_lewis] Big question - can independent personal websites (IndieWeb sites) be on subdomains of a non-owned domain, e.g. would a site at username.github.io count? The way I've implemented it, the owner needs to control the entire domain, e.g. in this case github.io, ruling out submissions from username.github.io. However, there are quite a few personal websites on e.g. username.github.io which have some good content, plus I've seen a couple of
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[michael_lewis] familydomain.com sites with person1.familydomain.com and person2.familydomain.com.
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[michael_lewis] I think you could get IndieAuth working on username.github.io, and some but not all of the Domain Control Validation should work too (e.g. file in root, but not the TXT record). I'm tempted to stick with the entire domain approach, but allow a few exceptions for specific subdomains (e.g. github.io, gitlab.io), but any other thoughts?
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Zegnat I think both subdomains and even subpaths are valid homepage URLs. So I definitely think they "count" (whatever that means).
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Zegnat If you are interested in only treating subdomains for things like github.io, you may be interested in looking into the Public Suffix List.
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Zegnat That is a project that lists domains with subdomains that should be individually handled by browsers when it comes to cookies etc. Basically sandboxing them from eachother. Includes github.io, gitlab.io, and many more.
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Zegnat What is public suffix list?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "public suffix list" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "public suffix list is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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Zegnat Hmm, no page of its own, but mentioned on https://indieweb.org/Top-level-domain
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[snarfed] Zegnat++ . we strongly push owning your own domain, but we do regularly have people participate from subdomains like that. helps provide easier gradual onboarding from services like micro.blog etc
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Loqi Zegnat has 32 karma in this channel over the last year (83 in all channels)
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[michael_lewis] [Zegnat] Thanks. I'm using Python's tldextract which supports the Public Suffix List. Anyway just rolled out support for subdomains but only in the special exceptions of github.io and gitlab.io because I do get the impression that owning your own domain is kind of one of the main points.
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[snarfed] consider also adding wordpress.com, blogger, tumblr, maybe medium domains too
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[snarfed] we generally err on the side of welcoming people and gently nudging them over gatekeeping
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[schmarty] The cloud-is-the-default thinking is also strong in browsers and web developer thinking and it was making me cranky the other day
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[schmarty] https://youtu.be/NNuTV-gjlZQ
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[schmarty] This video from google is like "wow look at all this storage for your apps!!!" while still saying with a straight face that it's impossible to know how much you can store and that it can be evicted at any time with no notice
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[schmarty] wonders what happened to the RemoteStorage project
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[snarfed] still around! https://remotestorage.io/ , https://unhosted.org/ , https://www.w3.org/community/unhosted/wiki/RemoteStorage
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[schmarty] Yeah! Was just looking at their GitHub stuff. Updates within the last week!