#dev 2020-10-06

2020-10-06 UTC
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Loqi
[cleverdevil]: jeremycherfas left you a message on 2020-01-14 at 5:39pm UTC: and anyone else who gets podcast info from Overcast, have you noticed any weirdness lately, with episodes skipped and things like that?
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GWG
[cleverdevil]: Nice to see you pop in.
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[tantek]
a wild [cleverdevil] appears!
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[Tim_Banks]
👋
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[cleverdevil]
I have appeared! Wanted to welcome [Tim_Banks] to the par-tay.
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Ruxton
waves at Tim the Banker
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aaronpk
Q&A session video is up now!
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Loqi
[Morgan Lemmer-Webber] OAuth 2.1 and ActivityPub: Pre-recorded video: https://conf.tube/videos/watch/32351956-89d7-4887-b6b0-f1a32f91dc36Video of live session:    https://bbb.fosshost.org/b/mor-f90-jix-2un#apconf2020
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[tantek]
I got an email from "Google Search Console Team" that I don't remember signing up for with the subject "Your September Search performance for http://tantek.com/" — anyone else get emails like this with various coarse/summary stats from Google? And I'm curious how they're collecting these too, I don't use GA on my site.
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Loqi
Tantek Çelik
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aaronpk
i've been getting them for a while
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aaronpk
i always assumed it was tied to GA, but "search console" is actually something different now that you mention it
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[tantek]
if it's something more than one of us get regarding our personal sites, it's probably worth documenting as a thing, and how to best make use of it (or (un)subscribe as preferred)
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[tantek]
it's interesting enough to me, and infrequent (monthly presumably) that I'll likely stay on it
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aaronpk
i also get notices from the same address about things like "Add the new Organizer property to your Event" or "New Mobile Usability issues detected for site"
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aaronpk
i don't actually remember what i did to start receiving these
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mayakate[m]
I believe there's a process to verify you own the domain to link it with your G account
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[tantek]
right, and we can use these as inspirations for site analysis and notifications in general (if anyone were to want to create their own equivalent)
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[jeremycherfas]
I got those too [tantek] this morning or yesterday.
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[fluffy]
I get the search console team stuff and it’s because I signed up for google webmaster tools
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[fluffy]
it has nothing to do with google analytics, everything to do with, like, if you signed up for that to submit a sitemap or whatever
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[tantek]
hmm I don't have a sitemap either.
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[fluffy]
mostly what I get from it is the disheartening realization that people use flrig.beesbuzz.biz to search for porn.
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[fluffy]
or rather they’re searching for porn and they end up at the flrig.beesbuzz.biz tag pages for it.
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[fluffy]
But anyway if you’re getting those emails it means you signed up for Google Webmaster Tools at some point and went through their whole authentication flow.
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aaronpk
google webmaster tools sounds familiar
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aaronpk
i was probably testing out hReview markup at some point through there too
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@FISSIONcodes
↩️ We're pretty sure that @aaronpk has opinions on how this stuff should work. Maybe #IndieAuth "key" signing can be extended or evolved to interop too? https://indieauth.com/pgp
(twitter.com/_/status/1313556748985274368)
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[tantek]
I'm pretty sure aaronpk has opinions too 🙂
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petermolnar
aaronpk: that was probably their structured data testing tool
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petermolnar
which is now sunset in favour of rich results
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aaronpk
nothing like coding in production because i'm too lazy to do this in my staging environment
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aaronpk
alright, I uploaded the Q&A session from my talk! (including full subtitles since the audio was kind of poor quality) https://aaronparecki.com/2020/10/06/11/apconf-qa
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] ActivityPub and OAuth 2.1 Live Q&A https://aaronparecki.com/img/1240x0/2020/10/06/11/thumb.jpg [video]
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aaronpk
side note i'm kind of thinking that it was not a good idea to overload the mf2 "photo" property for the video poster frame
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sknebel
for a single-video post featured feels like it makes more sense? although not a good answer for multi-element posts again
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aaronpk
agreed on both counts
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aaronpk
tbh i think it will make more sense to turn "video" into an object sooner than later
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aaronpk
i also don't have anywhere to add markup for my subtitle track right now either
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sknebel
I come again and again back to maybe a container for media elements, especially with them getting alternatives, having their own metadata, ...
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aaronpk
i don't currently have multiple languages of subtitles but that's another case too
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sknebel
i.e. a video alone has: multiple video file formats/sizes, subtitles, languages, ...
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sknebel
(+ length, creation date, ... as simple metadata entries)
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[tantek]
you mean turn "media" into an object sooner than later
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[tantek]
all the same concerns are true for podcasts, including cover image
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aaronpk
yes true
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[tantek]
anyone paying any attention to IIW these days? https://internetidentityworkshop.com
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[tantek]
The description basically admits how it's been co-opted from the original ideal of "user-centric identity" into the pseudo-tech of "self-sovereign identity, blockchain-based identity" (which is pretty much completely ignorable)
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[tantek]
(though they did almost get a bill passed in CA, which the governor fortunately vetoed)
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[tantek]
They claim "IIW serves as a forum for working on the identity systems and protocols that make the modern Web work such as OAuth, OpenID Connect, User-Managed Access, and Fido" and that seems mostly false AFAIK
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[tantek]
OAuth is pretty solidly done at IETF now, where folks actually technically participate
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aaronpk
i've been to a couple of recent IIWs and people from the OAuth group also were going
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[tantek]
OpenID Connect is not a useful "standard" by any measure except openwashing. There is zero actual cross-identity-provider interop
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aaronpk
it tends to be some of the more fringe/experimental OAuth stuff that gets tossed around at IIW first because it's an "unofficial" setting
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[tantek]
I have no idea what "User-Managed Access" is
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aaronpk
then later brought into the IETF group formally
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[tantek]
and Fido has the Fido Alliance
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aaronpk
that said, since travel has stopped, the OAuth group has been doing pretty well with regularly scheduled virtual meetings, and we don't really need the IIW forum for that anymore
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[tantek]
when's the last time anything fringe/experimental OAuth got tossed around at IIW that actually developed into anything
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aaronpk
a couple current extensions that are actively being developed started there
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[tantek]
sure, years ago. when was the last time though that anything interesting OAuth was first/previously proposed at IIW?
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aaronpk
also the whole oauth.xyz thing was first talked about there last year
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aaronpk
a lot of the work i'm doing with oauth best practices was originally from unconference sessions i led there
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aaronpk
(mostly in 2019)
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[tantek]
ok that's still legit then. good to know
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aaronpk
oh and the oauth security BCP was discussed there in 2018 https://aaronparecki.com/2018/10/25/10/oauth
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aaronpk
but like I said, most of 2020 that forum hasn't been necessary since the primary advantage of it for the oauth community was having another chance to meet in person
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aaronpk
(outside of the regular IETF meetings, which were very often only partially attended because they are held in places that are sometimes hard to get to for some people)
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[tantek]
Ah that's a very good point about the financial accessibility of f2f meetings
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[tantek]
so if you couldn't go to IETF in say Prague, or Bangkok, you could still show up in Mountain View
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[tantek]
and talk with people who would then go to Prague or Bangkok
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aaronpk
exactly, and you wouldn't have to go a whole year without seeing people in person again
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[tantek]
well IIW was 2x a year, whereas IETF is 3x a year so that doesn't add up
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aaronpk
IETF is 3x a year with rotating locations
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aaronpk
they have about 6 locations, so it'll be 2 years before it's back in the same place
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aaronpk
and a year before it's in the same general area again
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aaronpk
e.g. london march 2018, next time it was in europe again was prague march 2019
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[tantek]
right, and IIW is only convenient for Bay Area / West Coast folks (any more than the 1/year IETF North America meeting)
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[tantek]
for everyone else outside the US, IIW probably looks like an elitist US-centric thing
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aaronpk
yeah, not many people would make a special trip to the US for IIW, but they may try to schedule other trips adjacent to it to be able to attend
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[tantek]
on a more interesting (and I think positive) note, did anyone check this out today? https://www.newamerica.org/oti/events/decentralized-alternatives-big-tech/
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[tantek]
one of the participants was IndieWebCamp Austin participant Paul Frazee
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[tantek]
also, very clever use of a subtly new hashtag to steer clear of all the blockchain bots
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[tantek]
*#decentralizedtech*
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[KevinMarks]
Firefox 81 is being very annoying, wanting me to do a profile registration to transfer settings
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[KevinMarks]
And now my home Internet has gone down. Clearly I should go to bed