#Loqi[cleverdevil]: jeremycherfas left you a message on 2020-01-14 at 5:39pm UTC: and anyone else who gets podcast info from Overcast, have you noticed any weirdness lately, with episodes skipped and things like that?
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#[tantek]I got an email from "Google Search Console Team" that I don't remember signing up for with the subject "Your September Search performance for http://tantek.com/" — anyone else get emails like this with various coarse/summary stats from Google? And I'm curious how they're collecting these too, I don't use GA on my site.
#[tantek]if it's something more than one of us get regarding our personal sites, it's probably worth documenting as a thing, and how to best make use of it (or (un)subscribe as preferred)
#[tantek]it's interesting enough to me, and infrequent (monthly presumably) that I'll likely stay on it
#aaronpki also get notices from the same address about things like "Add the new Organizer property to your Event" or "New Mobile Usability issues detected for site"
#aaronpki don't actually remember what i did to start receiving these
#mayakate[m]I believe there's a process to verify you own the domain to link it with your G account
#[tantek]right, and we can use these as inspirations for site analysis and notifications in general (if anyone were to want to create their own equivalent)
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#[jeremycherfas]I got those too [tantek] this morning or yesterday.
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#[fluffy]I get the search console team stuff and it’s because I signed up for google webmaster tools
#[fluffy]it has nothing to do with google analytics, everything to do with, like, if you signed up for that to submit a sitemap or whatever
#[fluffy]mostly what I get from it is the disheartening realization that people use flrig.beesbuzz.biz to search for porn.
#[fluffy]or rather they’re searching for porn and they end up at the flrig.beesbuzz.biz tag pages for it.
#[fluffy]But anyway if you’re getting those emails it means you signed up for Google Webmaster Tools at some point and went through their whole authentication flow.
#[tantek]The description basically admits how it's been co-opted from the original ideal of "user-centric identity" into the pseudo-tech of "self-sovereign identity, blockchain-based identity" (which is pretty much completely ignorable)
#[tantek](though they did almost get a bill passed in CA, which the governor fortunately vetoed)
#[tantek]They claim "IIW serves as a forum for working on the identity systems and protocols that make the modern Web work such as OAuth, OpenID Connect, User-Managed Access, and Fido" and that seems mostly false AFAIK
#[tantek]OAuth is pretty solidly done at IETF now, where folks actually technically participate
#aaronpki've been to a couple of recent IIWs and people from the OAuth group also were going
#[tantek]OpenID Connect is not a useful "standard" by any measure except openwashing. There is zero actual cross-identity-provider interop
#aaronpkit tends to be some of the more fringe/experimental OAuth stuff that gets tossed around at IIW first because it's an "unofficial" setting
#[tantek]I have no idea what "User-Managed Access" is
#aaronpkthen later brought into the IETF group formally
#aaronpkthat said, since travel has stopped, the OAuth group has been doing pretty well with regularly scheduled virtual meetings, and we don't really need the IIW forum for that anymore
#[tantek]when's the last time anything fringe/experimental OAuth got tossed around at IIW that actually developed into anything
#aaronpka couple current extensions that are actively being developed started there
#[tantek]sure, years ago. when was the last time though that anything interesting OAuth was first/previously proposed at IIW?
#aaronpkalso the whole oauth.xyz thing was first talked about there last year
#aaronpka lot of the work i'm doing with oauth best practices was originally from unconference sessions i led there
#aaronpkbut like I said, most of 2020 that forum hasn't been necessary since the primary advantage of it for the oauth community was having another chance to meet in person
#aaronpk(outside of the regular IETF meetings, which were very often only partially attended because they are held in places that are sometimes hard to get to for some people)
#[tantek]Ah that's a very good point about the financial accessibility of f2f meetings
#[tantek]so if you couldn't go to IETF in say Prague, or Bangkok, you could still show up in Mountain View
#[tantek]and talk with people who would then go to Prague or Bangkok
#aaronpkexactly, and you wouldn't have to go a whole year without seeing people in person again
#[tantek]well IIW was 2x a year, whereas IETF is 3x a year so that doesn't add up
#aaronpkthey have about 6 locations, so it'll be 2 years before it's back in the same place
#aaronpkand a year before it's in the same general area again
#aaronpke.g. london march 2018, next time it was in europe again was prague march 2019
#[tantek]right, and IIW is only convenient for Bay Area / West Coast folks (any more than the 1/year IETF North America meeting)
#[tantek]for everyone else outside the US, IIW probably looks like an elitist US-centric thing
#aaronpkyeah, not many people would make a special trip to the US for IIW, but they may try to schedule other trips adjacent to it to be able to attend