#dev 2021-04-09

2021-04-09 UTC
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sknebel what is geocoding?
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Loqi Geocoding is the process of turning a text form location (such as an address or name of a place) into a set of geographical coordinates https://indieweb.org/geocoding
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sknebel geocoding << https://getlon.lat/ nice overview of (reverse) geocoding service options
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Loqi ok, I added "https://getlon.lat/ nice overview of (reverse) geocoding service options" to a new "See Also" section of /geocoding https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=75235&oldid=30532
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aaronpk wow we didn't have a page on that already?
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aaronpk oh i misread 🤦
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doosboox Indieweb is a bit of an experiment for me. I have an interest in social media solutions, and am exploring what it means to develop things that adhere to standards. So far I haven’t indiewebified my page much (just h-card). I’m considering implementing webmention (send and receive). How easy would you say that is?
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[snarfed] doosboox: easy if you use existing services, eg https://webmention.app/, https://webmention.herokuapp.com/, https://github.com/PlaidWeb/webmention.js, https://webmention.io/
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[snarfed] more on https://indieweb.org/Webmention and other pages linked from there
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doosboox [snarfed]: I’d like to do as much as possible myself. I like to get a feel for how hard it is; decentralisation or federation can’t be sustainably attained if the complexity of a standard or eco system is too high
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doosboox [snarfed]: selfhosted alternatives are good, but being able to do it myself is better :)
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GWG doosboox: I mix self hosted and self made myself
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[snarfed] we’re definitely agreed on https://indieweb.org/plurality and diversity of implementations! most people shouldn’t have to write code to join the indieweb, but if you want to, please do!
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[snarfed] sending webmentions is pretty straightforward, receiving takes a bit more work, but both are totally doable
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superkuh Receiving can be easy'ish if you don't care about implementing the full spec and just receive. I just send with cURL and receive by logging POSTs to the URL endpoint.
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doosboox I figure the complexity is in parsing html and getting elements for both, and for receiving I’ll have to make an app server I guess
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[tantek] none of the complexity is in parsing html. there are well tested parser libraries for that.
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[tantek] that's kind of a big misconception (about parsing html)
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GWG [tantek]: I have trouble in the post parsing step still
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GWG As in, massaging inconsistent data into something consistent
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GWG We've had that talk, but I'm still not sure what you call xray and Parse This except maybe normalization libraries
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GWG For example, I always wrap a set of h-entrys in an h-feed, not all sites do, so I need to do some work post parser on that
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[tantek] GWG, sure, there's additional work, depending on the use-case you are implementing. That's usually how any kind of data processing works.
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doosboox I’ll look into it
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GWG [tantek]: Yes, I'm just saying that is a step we don't discuss as much, and does challenge some people new to it
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GWG I'm constantly updating my code for new scenarios
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[tantek] we don't discuss it much because what you do with the data varies greatly depending on your desired result
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[tantek] as a plugin author, that's even more complicated because you're trying to implement for many different desired results
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