#dev 2021-09-12

2021-09-12 UTC
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wagle
are there any semantic web graph editors I should try out?
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wagle
thebrain and obsidian are the closest I've found, but neither are "it"
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wagle
but I need one to organize and plan my own, if it comes to that.. I seriously need 2D or 3D visualization of large graphs too
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[chrisaldrich]1
wagle I remember seeing some interesting graphs in indie map, but don't remember what software was used.
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[chrisaldrich]1
What is indie map?
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Loqi
indie map is a public IndieWeb social graph and dataset, made by Ryan Barrett and launched at IndieWeb Summit 2017 https://indieweb.org/indie_map
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wagle
hoping to home in on things in a hairball
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wagle
thebrain does this, possibly to excess
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wagle
i gotta be willing to fork $300 non-refundable to find out for sure
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wagle
look like a big nope
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wagle
[chrisaldrich]1: thanks
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wagle
want a mindmapper DAG (ie, not TREE) on steroids..
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wagle
the brain does that
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wagle
thebrain
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capjamesg[d]
wagle IndieMap used Kumu I think.
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capjamesg[d]
I like using networkx in Python for networked graph visualizations but it's a bit technical.
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capjamesg[d]
And structured tree graphs are a pain in networkx.
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capjamesg[d]
KevinMarks++ on the ETag recommendation.
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Loqi
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capjamesg[d]
Just implemented into my Microsub server. Will push to Github soon.
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capjamesg[d]
aaronpk Do any Micropub servers use the Card object?
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capjamesg[d]
I just saw it in the spec and was wondering if there is an implemented use case.
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capjamesg[d]
Also, what needs to happen for the standard to advance past the Editors Draft stage?
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aaronpk
where do you see "editor's draft"?
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aaronpk
it is a W3C REC which is the last stage, and then we moved it to indieweb.org as a "living standard" https://micropub.spec.indieweb.org/
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GWG
aaronpk: In IndieAuth token revokation, what prompted action= ?
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aaronpk
micropub
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GWG
I don't think it's that confusing, but
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aaronpk
i need to review those PRs. i will try to do that in the next couple days
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GWG
This is basically the comment that we are overloading the token endpoint to the point implementation is complicated
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capjamesg[d]
aaronpk Sorry I meant Microsub.
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capjamesg[d]
I have been on mobile almost all day and I’m not as good at typing on phones.
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aaronpk
ah good question
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GWG
aaronpk: We never followed up on that Microsub conclusion after the pop-up
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aaronpk
i don't know if we've formalized the spec process under indieweb.org, most of the other specs have been done under existing organizations like microformats or w3c
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GWG
Namely feature checks of implementations
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GWG
But we didn't formalize that
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GWG
Too many projects
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
!tell [snarfed] Just added tests that exposed a bug in IndieAuth.
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capjamesg[d]
How does one get involved in these sorts of discussions? Will there be another pop up at some point?
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capjamesg[d]
I’d be happy to get involved with feature checks.
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GWG
capjamesg[d]: We can always discuss in here, but yes, usually at the popups.
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GWG
We have video of last time
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capjamesg[d]
Thanks GWG!
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Loqi
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GWG
In IndieAuth, now that I better understand the profile scope, after last month's clarification, how would I know to indicate on the consent screen that the client isn't going to request a token, instead only planning to redeem the authorization code at the authorization endpoint? Or is there no way?
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rattroupe[d]
I don’t believe you can predict that.
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rattroupe[d]
I asked at one point if we could have the offline_access scope which the client would have to request in order to get a token, but that was turned down
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rattroupe[d]
Why do you want to know if the client is going to request a token?
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GWG
Just to adjust the consent screen to define intent. But I can approach it a different way
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GWG
I just thought it should say what it knows about the client's intent. But I'll just have different text whether the client is requesting only profile and/or email or other scopes.
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rattroupe[d]
Authorio presents the user with checkboxes for each scope (“the client wants to see your email address”) and the user can uncheck them to deny that scope
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GWG
rattroupe[d]: Same here
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rattroupe[d]
I had wanted offline_access so the user could force the client not to get a token and only do authorization
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GWG
rattroupe[d]: Got screenshots? https://indieweb.org/consent_screen
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rattroupe[d]
Haha those are all huge
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rattroupe[d]
I don’t think Authorio would have anything to add there
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GWG
Just inspiration for new designs
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GWG
What is Authorio?
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Loqi
Authorio is a Rails engine / Ruby gem that enables authentication endpoint functionality https://indieweb.org/Authorio
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GWG
It's not really a screenshotty thing, but...
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@u_map_prop
I'm testing out webmention support for my blog, where responses on twitter should show up on my website. Any responses to this tweet should show up here: https://owenlynch.org/posts/2020-10-12-rod-and-ring/
(twitter.com/_/status/1437127805909745668)
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jamietanna
GWG https://media.jvt.me/424fa84a6d.png is what appears when a client doesn't request a scope, but it doesn't currently allow adding other scopes, so it's not ideal
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capjamesg[d]
snarfed Can one use Granary to read their Instagram profile page? I am having a lot of trouble using requests with Instagram web resources, even with a user agent supplied. L
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aaronpk
i would avoid trying to scrape instagram if at all possible at this point
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aaronpk
it's a losing battle, and if you do it with anything that identifies your account, they are likely to think you are a bot
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aaronpk
ask me how i lost my instagram account
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[snarfed]
^ broadly true. I turned off the granary REST API for IG a while back for that reason. capjamesg if you use the library though, and do it for just your account, and not too frequently, you might be ok
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[snarfed]
but yeah they can be aggressive, so it's slightly risky
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[snarfed]
(you basically have to do it with a valid session cookie, which is where the risk aaronpk mentioned comes from)