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[tantek] snarfed, re: "high level conclusion is that people have multiple usage patterns and desires that are very different and conflict, so it's hard/impossible to design a reader that works well for everyone" <-- I feel that's very out of date and has been subsequently disproven by the massive popularity of social media which (nearly) "everyone" uses a relatively unconfigurable UI.
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zerojames[d] Good point tantek.
# zerojames[d] I don’t mind creating posts with my Micropub client but mainly because I have bookmarklets set up.
# zerojames[d] Otherwise, I do want to be able to interact with my reader.
# zerojames[d] What is read later?
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Loqi Read later is an indication on (or relating to) a website that one wants to save the URL to come back and read the content at a future time https://indieweb.org/read_later
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# zerojames[d] What is Repl.it?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Repl.it" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Repl.it is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# zerojames[d] What is Glitch?
# Loqi Glitch (formerly Gomix, HyperDev before that) is a tool allowing you to quickly prototype web applications in a complete IDE with built in version control, sharing, custom domain support, and more https://indieweb.org/Glitch
# zerojames[d] Do we have any IndieWeb templates for the two aforementioned services?
# zerojames[d] The logic is that having simple templates on these playgrounds might be a good resource for complete beginners.
# zerojames[d] Repl.it has been my go to for collaborative programming with beginners.
# zerojames[d] Both for it’s easy collaboration and sharing workflow as well as for its ease of running code.
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# edgeduchess[d] oh i would love a glitch template
# edgeduchess[d] i could help contribute that, but it'll have to be a bit of a longer term goal
# edgeduchess[d] I still need to figure out whether the people I build for actually find glitch intuitive. I have a hard time with it myself.
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petermolnar what is itches?
# Loqi Itches, in the context of the indieweb, are individuals's personal sources of annoyances using the web or in particular their own website, that they use to itemize and prioritize what to create, design, build, and improve on their own website, often by first listing such "itches" on a section in their User: page or on their own website https://indieweb.org/itches
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[KevinMarks] I started making a thing on glitch, and got micropub and POSSE to twitter working, but the local storage model wasn't really right https://glitch.com/edit/#!/it-me-web?path=README.md%3A1%3A0
# [KevinMarks] I was trying to work out how to know when the user was authed with glitch and then got sidetracked
# petermolnar Zegnat: I was thinking the same thoughts
# edgeduchess[d] Zegnat: the personal profile about page was (finally!) made by glitch itself: https://glitch.com/glitch-in-bio
# edgeduchess[d] i feel like one could remix glitch in bio to add indieweb features maybe, if we think there's some worth adding
# edgeduchess[d] but i would see it as a place one could give someone a starter website (blog?) with a template and have them mess around with the theme
# edgeduchess[d] i mentioned before i'd like to help create a user interface on top of writing posts for your own blog on a github repo
# edgeduchess[d] I would see glitch as the side of that equation where people who are not familiar with command line would create pages or edit themes
# petermolnar "i feel like one could remix glitch in bio to add indieweb features" which features would you add?
# edgeduchess[d] i don't know all that's available, but I would assume the ability to use it for IndieAuth is one?
# edgeduchess[d] also, rel=me stuff
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# petermolnar isn't glitch js;dr for that purpose?
# petermolnar indieauth and rel=me usually needs the html to contain them
# [KevinMarks] no, it runs code serverside and can do static serving
# petermolnar Isee
# [KevinMarks] though it will put the node servers to sleep so they may timeout
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[chrisaldrich] RE: tantek and [snarfed]'s points earlier, I'll take a little bit of both the chocolate and the peanut butter: social silos have made it very easy to read, respond, and interact within each individual silo (tantek's observation), but "people have multiple usage patterns and desires that are very different" (snarfed) and this is only solved by putting the onus of the work usually including moderation on the people/users needing
# [chrisaldrich] to have dozens of accounts on all the "free" platforms to communicate the thing each wants and desires to a hoped for audience of friends and family who may not actually exist on all those platforms.
# [chrisaldrich] There are costs (many hidden) on multiple axes which makes the personal choices hard to make beyond the immediate knee jerk or gut reaction.
# [chrisaldrich] Of course if all this weren't incredibly complex, someone would have solved it by now... 🙂
# [KevinMarks] well, we did solve a fair bit of it, but the silos have actively fought that
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# [chrisaldrich] Some of our issue as a society is not thinking about what it is the silos themselves are solving for (often profit for themselves and not user needs/wants). I'm glad to have some friends here slowly but surely fighting the good fight though.
# petermolnar what silos, as in being multiple of them solve, is context and content separation
# petermolnar except for facebook
# petermolnar to solve the same problem in indieweb one either needs multiple personas (and thus, domains), or a rather sophisticated private posting system.
# petermolnar there aren't many out there who'd be willing to run multiple indieweb sites with, each under a domain, etc. Yes, I know some here does that, but that's a niche within a niche within a niche.