#dev 2022-01-10
2022-01-10 UTC
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[tantek] Anyone been following this GitHub account suspension? Any merit to this? https://twitter.com/hackerfantastic/status/1480194166944526336
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@hackerfantastic FOSS developer makes a commit to his popular project to protest FORTUNE 500 companies exploiting his labor, @GitHub suspends his account and prevents him accessing his own code (serving interests of corps, not the devs). https://twitter.com/marak/status/1479200803948830724 (twitter.com/_/status/1480194166944526336)
# [tantek] Smells like there's something there worth documenting, at a minimum on /GitHub#Criticism or perhaps
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Loqi identity loss on the web is when someone loses their account(s), domains, and/or usernames for any reason, and one of the notions why it's better to focus on a presence where you are in control while treating social media only as an ephemeral distribution mechanism https://indieweb.org/identity_loss
# [tantek] (separately, quite happy to be part of the long tail of contributors to Bridgy 😄 https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/graphs/contributors )
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# [tantek] Topic for a blog post: Everything I learned about Decentralization I learned from TRON 1982. (inspired a bit by https://manifestomultilinko2.wordpress.com/2016/08/20/what-is-tron-about/ )
# [tantek] also this article, has some IndieWeb dev resonance to it in terms of hacker-ethic romanticization of the past http://thecresset.org/2011/Easter/MillerJ_E2011.html
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[chrisaldrich] tantek++ for "(still makes me unreasonably happy when our peer-to-peer Webmentions "just work")" --- I always feel this way too.
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prologic Q: Are there any known good instant messaging protocols that are more web friendly? I'm not talking about older/outdated (some barely used nowadays) protocols like XMPP, IRC, etc (these sadly whilst serve or did a useful purpose at some point, require fucking around with your network, opening up ports, etc)
# prologic What does IndieWeb have to say about a decentralised web-friendly IM?
# prologic Well not forgetting the most important part - self hosting ;)
# prologic WOW :O According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_instant_messaging_protocols) there are effectively none
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# prologic That can't be true?
# prologic Yeah this space (IM) just looks basically totally insane
# prologic It's either one extreme or another
# prologic Seems like no-one has even bothered to try to create something simple
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@nekr0z Wow! I’m glad to know my little tools are of use to someone else.
I wonder just how different your directory structure is from mine. Perhaps, we could add an option or two to `webmention.io-backup` to make your life easier? ;-) Drop me a line… https://evgenykuznetsov.org/en/reactions/2022/re-010053443/ (twitter.com/_/status/1480417306471714824)
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# prologic Does anyone have any strong opinions on developing something new and simpler?
# prologic I know many fanboys just say things like "Just use XMPP" or the latest hype is "Just use Matrix"
# prologic Problem is these things tend to try to do too much and their scope is insane, clients suck and self-hosting is painful at best
# [tw2113_Slack_] when i first started with my current employer over 9 years ago, our internal chat was IRC, then we moved to Hipchat for awhile, and now slack
# [tw2113_Slack_] granted when i first started were around 10 or less, now we're 42 strong
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# prologic IRCv3 but yeah
# prologic I developed an IRCv3 server myself which I still use and run
# prologic Yeah Dispatch is arguably one of the best IRC client for Web I think
# prologic I should stand that back up again
# prologic I just setup Dela.Chat and it's not actually half bad
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@tomayac ↩️ Of course managed to mess up the link: the tool can be found at https://brid.gy/. (twitter.com/_/status/1480460974943526920)
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capjamesg[d] petermolnar++ for this post: https://petermolnar.net/article/old-web-new-web-indie-web/index.html
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# [tantek] "Have fun" as the 11th principle is not a diminishing of its importance, quite the opposite. By being important enough to be added to an existing list of 10, instead of rigidly sticking with 10, "Have fun" to some degree is a strong modifier on all the above. If you're not having fun, why does the rest of any of it matter and why are you spending your time on it?
# [chrisaldrich] I always thought that fun being the 11th was also a subtle nod to Spinal Tap as if to say the IndieWeb "goes to 11": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOO5S4vxi0o
# [chrisaldrich] Which in itself is part of the /fun.
# capjamesg[d] Haha 🙂
# capjamesg[d] Can we document that somewhere? 😄
# capjamesg[d] I love that!
# [chrisaldrich] It reminds me of some of the old video (VHS) review guides (Siskel & Ebert had one back in the day) that would be useful for browsing and then hunting things down. (Similar to some of the /watch UI and movie lists that have been brewing here the last week or two.) I'm sort of tempted now to print out the 4000 or so titles I've got in my digital library to have a physical book (maybe coffeetable format) for browsing.
# [chrisaldrich] I'm reminded of the lost serendipity of browsing book shelves in libraries that we've lost in the shift to digital. How can we bring some of that back in digital libraries?
# [chrisaldrich] I've got to quit chat on mobile... those last two from me relate to chat in #indieweb for those who've lost the context.
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# Loqi fun is one of the IndieWeb principles and a key motivation for the IndieWeb — making and using your own website should be fun, otherwise what’s the point? https://indieweb.org/fun
# [tantek] [chrisaldrich] yes I intended the nod to Spinal Tap, as in our /principles go to 11 🙂
# Loqi ok, I added "Fits as the 11th [[principle]] as it is the jester’s number (German: <i>Narrenzahl</i>) celebrated in Mainz by a read of the jester’s constitution (German: <i>närrischen Grundgesetzes</i>) on November 11 (aka <i>Elfter im Elften</i>)." to the "See Also" section of /fun https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79045&oldid=76882
# capjamesg[d] Will do!
# kloenk Just read through the pleroma readme of the release/2.4.2 branch. pleroma is packaged in one distro I know of. is this worthy of a pr?
# kloenk sorry wrong chat, shit :)
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