#dev 2022-01-17
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Ruxton "remember how you used to have to actually *click* on each person one at a time to read their posts? instead of "just" scrolling?" uhh yeah but then I also remember just scrolling later on when peopled cottoned onto that concept. RSS/ATOM enabled me to read everyone that did it properly in one place and that was awesome. The people I followed stopped blogging and bigger sites stop giving out full
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[jeremycherfas] I currently still like scanning the titles in my reader and clicking only when I need to. And a keyboard shortcut takes me to the next person/feed I am following.
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@voxpelli ↩️ Totally agree, more should join the @indiewebcamp movement: https://indieweb.org/
RSS, WebMentions, Micropub, h-feed – one or many or more! (twitter.com/_/status/1483006536448417795)
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[grantcodes] I used the web share api in together, works pretty well on android these days, no idea if apple has bothered to support it though. It could definitely be made to work directly on your own website though.
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capjamesg[d] What is the Web Share API?
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Loqi Web Share API is a draft specification for sharing text, links, and other content to an arbitrary destination https://indieweb.org/Web_Share_API
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@clivewalker Redeveloping own site. Unsure whether to keep blog post comments and webmentions. Comments just attract spam. Webmentions seems like a bit of "developer" indulgence? Probably need to think on this some more though. (twitter.com/_/status/1483080472238469123)
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# jeremycherfas Decided to grasp the nettle and try to learn about srcset.
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[Joe_Crawford] _[tantek]: “also remember how you used to have to actually *click* on each person one at a time to read their posts? instead of “just” scrolling?” -_ I concur with the bold / unbolding irritation — when I was stuck in a reader that treated RSS like a 3-pane email inbox. I’m much happier now that I can group feeds and scroll through and they get implicitly marked as read as I go. I can star later as need be. I als
# [Joe_Crawford] about subbing/unsubbing from feeds, creators. I feel like this is a requirement in the current infosphere. We are responsible (for better/worse — mostly worse) for curating the news and information we are presented with. This is the complaint people have about IG, Twitter - “the algorithm” is in control, yes? Well, the only way to beat the algorithm is to BE the algorithm.
# [Joe_Crawford] Was trying to find a post about RSS from back in the day. Didn’t find it but I did find this artifact from 2005. https://www.flickr.com/photos/mathowie/28617886/
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[tantek] interesting point (which I agree with, UX > DX) and actually thoughtful debate in the replies: https://twitter.com/kentcdodds/status/1482390454389805058. I do think IndieWeb development mixes the two heavily (as it happens when you have a feedback loop of cooking what you want, then eating what you cook, then iterating)
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@kentcdodds User experience (UX) and developer experience (DX) are both important. UX is more important than DX. @remix_run has taught me: It's easier to start with a great UX and work toward a good DX than it is to start with a great DX and work toward a good UX. (twitter.com/_/status/1482390454389805058)
# [KevinMarks]1 interesting for the caching copies of things you link to/that link to you https://github.com/billfitzgerald/trapper-keeper
# capjamesg[d] What is DX?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "DX" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "DX is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# capjamesg[d] What is Developer Experience?
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Developer Experience" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Developer Experience is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# capjamesg[d] Developer Experience is a term used to describe the way in which a developer interacts with a tool, and should be prioritized behind user experience when building websites.
# capjamesg[d] [tantek] I agree the: the IndieWeb’a balance of DX/UX.
# capjamesg[d] I don’t see as much discussion here about technologies themselves as much as how they can be used to enable you.
# capjamesg[d] DX << [[building blocks]]
# capjamesg[d] Developer Experience << [[building blocks]]
# Loqi ok, I added "[[building blocks]]" to a brand new "See Also" section of /Developer_Experience https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=79146&oldid=79144
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# capjamesg[d] Has anyone used React Native before?
# capjamesg[d] jacky I agree.
# capjamesg[d] One thing I might write about is how social readers might need to come with some kind of default publishing mechanism.
# capjamesg[d] Right now, I publish from my feed reader through my Microsub endpoint to my site. Most users would not care about that and would not want to set up three different services just to post something.
# capjamesg[d] A feed reader that had a default — opinionated — publishing interface could give people a place to say “hey! You can see my content at X!”
# capjamesg[d] Which I think is a key part of making a good reader UX. You sign up for Instagram and within a minute or two you can make a post and share it.
# capjamesg[d] jacky definitely!
# capjamesg[d] I would love to bundle a Micropub server with a reader but the server handling would be contingent upon how people want to publish their data.
# capjamesg[d] I think with the key difference that you can follow anyone on any site and aggregate your content into one place.
# capjamesg[d] Unless micro.blog supports that? I haven’t looked around the follow feature that much.
# capjamesg[d] (Forgive my ignorance if that is the case.)
# capjamesg[d] jacky good point re: vendor lock in. But i think I’m thinking ahead a bit haha. There needs to be a usable product first 😅
# capjamesg[d] My reader is nowhere near there unfortunately. But I’d love to get someone to test it one day.
# capjamesg[d] jacky what do you think of React Native?
# capjamesg[d] Ah no worries. I’d love to do something with iOS but Swift looks like a long road to learn.
# capjamesg[d] How is the Pinephone going?
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@jonasgalhordas Testing WebMentions on A/B Smartly's blog.
https://absmartly.com/blog/what-is-ab-testing/ (twitter.com/_/status/1483205372324335621)
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