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# 00:19 aaronpk grr i've learned so much about event sites building Meetable that i'm super annoyed at my own website's handling of events and need to figure out how to fix it
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# 00:45 aaronpk for example my site will always display the start time of an event, which isn't what I want for multi-day events
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# 01:27 [tantek] aaronpk, I think it's at least reasonable to download / cache the entire upthread reply-context of something (any post) you're liking/bookmarking
# 01:27 aaronpk i suppose the first easier step is to just always download the whole thing, regardless of whether i display it
# 01:27 [tantek] at least upthread yeah, and regardless of who is in the reply-chain
# 01:28 [tantek] the downthread tweetstorm detection (and saving) is a different user feature
# 01:28 [tantek] (look for "/" in the last 10 chars of the tweet you're favoriting 😂 )
# 01:29 aaronpk i think just looking for replies to a tweet from the same author is probably 97% accurate
# 01:30 [tantek] even if they "only" use it to "correct" something in the original tweet, it's worth getting both
# 01:52 [jgmac1106] for manual until it hurts I didn't do too bad. aaronpk would be smart enough to automate it, but I went fro,m source code I think to sublime, and then using weird editing hacks to instert microformats
# 02:05 [tantek] don't turn on mfa if it means SMS and SMS recovery. that's making yourself more vulnerable
# 02:11 [tantek] the YouTube Music not-logged in experience is WAY better than the Spotify not-logged-in experience
# 02:12 [tantek] this makes me actually want to consider using YouTube Music, especially if there was some way to import/export playlists
# 02:12 [tantek] as in, the ability to share a playlist that someone can play without having to login or install an app is quite compelling
# 02:13 [tantek] does anyone else create playlists in YT Music and/or import/export them?
# 02:25 [jgmac1106] agree on weakness of SMS (also in the ZTA memo BTW) but a reduction in the attack vector overall still better
# 02:25 [jgmac1106] my university actually pulled back from authentication apps and allowed sms again bc of the trouble of support, made me sad
# 02:27 [tantek] it's not a reduced attack vector overall, it's an INCREASED attack vector as in social engineering a SIM card is *easier* than phishing your email/pw single-factor
# 02:28 GWG My employer makes me use a MFA app every 14 days to reauth up everything, and some things every time I log in.
# 02:36 [KevinMarks] Yes, you create playlists the same way you do in YouTube. You need to be logged in with a Google account but it doesn't need to be a paid one.
# 02:36 [KevinMarks] The side benefit of a YT music paid account is that it removes ads from YouTube too.
# 02:37 [KevinMarks] YT music is pretty much YT with the video off (you can turn it on too)
# 02:54 [jgmac1106] I am going to be so excited to have seperation from all my kids streaming and Xboxing
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# 02:55 [jgmac1106] Ingnore the MongoDB. Rebuilding my app in Python, Django,and PostgresSQL
# 03:13 KartikPrabhu [jgmac1106]: I use SQLite which allows me to copy-paste and backup my database as a file
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# 03:31 [tantek] [jgmac1106] I like "serbers" kind of like "birbs" and vaguely sounding like "Cerberus"
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# 09:22 capjamesg[d] At the moment this isn't access controlled other than requiring a syndication link. That access control will come when I get the indieauth login setup.
# 10:18 sknebel capjamesg[d]: typo on front page: " that might be worth visitng."
# 10:46 capjamesg[d] aaronpk How did you deploy vouch-proxy on the wiki? I find the docs very confusing.
# 10:47 capjamesg[d] I don't understand what protectedapp.example.com refers to in the nginx example.
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# 13:11 aaronpk It's definitely a bit tricky to get your head around all the config options
# 13:32 capjamesg[d] SSO is set up but... after logging in with IndieLogin, sessions aren't saved.
# 13:32 capjamesg[d] The /validate requests are coming into the Vouch Proxy on page load but the user appears as logged out on MediaWiki.
# 13:38 sknebel the mediawiki plugin is setup and you use the same header name it expects?
# 13:43 aaronpk If the wiki is showing logged out it sounds like it's not finding the Remote-User header
# 13:45 sknebel you dont have the proxy_set_header Remote-User $auth_user; in the location block, not sure if thats ok or not
# 13:46 sknebel you could add a path to a PHP script that dumps the headers
# 13:48 sknebel that says to use fastcgi_param REMOTE_USER $auth_user; if you use fastcgi
# 13:53 aaronpk another thing I like to do is put a test.php file on the server that just outputs all the headers it sees
# 13:57 aaronpk But yeah it sounds like nginx isn't setting the header right
# 14:04 capjamesg[d] sknebel I tried moving the proxy_set_header Remote-User $auth_user bit and it didn't change anything.
# 14:05 capjamesg[d] I have also tried using the fastcgi_param directive but that didn't change the headers either.
# 14:05 sknebel hm. try using a different header name, some implementations are weird about REMOTE_USER
# 14:06 sknebel i.e. fascgi_param COFFEEBEANS and then check if COFFEEBEANS is set :D
# 14:08 aaronpk Try adding it right next to fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME
# 14:10 Loqi aaronpk has 24 karma in this channel over the last year (122 in all channels)
# 14:10 Loqi sknebel has 8 karma in this channel over the last year (34 in all channels)
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# 16:21 capjamesg[d] [tantek] IndieAuth is set up on the breakfastand.coffee wiki. I'd appreciate your help populating a few pages with your recommendations 🙂
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# 17:09 jacky random: do Wordpress site double as "identity" providers?
# 17:11 aaronpk if they install an OpenID or IndieAuth plugin sure
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# 17:46 sknebel capjamesg[d]: I'm quite busy right now so probably in a few weeks or so, but at some point we should talk about how we get OSM maps into that :)
# 18:05 capjamesg[d] Maybe publishers could optionally add a h-geo object to their post that is then turned into an embedded OSM map?
# 18:12 sknebel would be interesting to try and find the actual OSM objects for the places. and I'm not up to speed on nice ways of embedding such maps in mediawiki
# 18:16 capjamesg[d] That's a good idea! I don't know how to do that so it will be a good learning opportunity.
# 18:32 Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Like all of you, I got a little stir crazy over the last year. I made it outside plenty, but I still felt cooped up now and then, and I dearly missed going new places and seeing new things.
On another note, I really, really like breakfast. Like, a lo...
# 18:32 capjamesg[d] (Slight nudge: we should have a "breakfast tour" page on the wiki :D)
# 18:45 capjamesg[d] (I can now say my purchase of jamesg.coffee was justified because I used it for testing with another domain haha)
# 18:54 [snarfed] might be worth looking at the vouch.breakfastand.coffee error logs to see what happened
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# 19:18 capjamesg[d] I shall. I am new to the Vouch Proxy so will need to dig around to see what went wrong.
# 19:25 [tantek] coffee crawl! that sounds like the kind of trip/travel post that GWG would (does?) publish!
# 19:29 capjamesg[d] Ah yes. I enabled it back when I was trying to fix the vouch proxy server. I tried so many different things. I’ll push a change.
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# 19:39 [tantek] capjamesg[d]++ amazing! IndieAuth login works! congrats on getting that setup
# 19:39 Loqi capjamesg[d] has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (68 in all channels)
# 19:39 GWG [tantek]: Yes, I just rarely do food/dining type posts...I did want to review experiences more
# 19:39 [tantek] Is this only the second public MediaWiki instance with IndieAuth login?
# 19:40 [tantek] I feel like "how to add" this functionality alone is worth documenting on its own page on the wiki so we can encourage other wikis to do so
# 19:42 [tantek] capjamesg[d], while it's fresh in mind for you, could you write some notes about the steps you took (and where you got stuck, errors you saw, how you did troubleshooting/fixing) to setup IndieAuth login on breakfastandcoffee?
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# 20:10 capjamesg[d] There were a few issues. Perhaps due to my inexperience with deploying hosted software but nonetheless important.
# 20:11 capjamesg[d] Specifically on IndieAuth, the process was pretty easy. I copied the IndieWeb wiki auth extension for Lasso / vouch proxy. The biggest challenge was figuring out how to run the proxy and get the headers right.
# 20:30 sknebel it mentions the chat name in the message, but edits as Loqi
# 20:31 sknebel (and also cant verify that the chat names are hte people the matching website belongs to, so it couldnt do that reliably etiher way)
# 20:35 Loqi [utterances-bot] #11 The weight of the clipboard
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# 21:35 rattroupe[d] Snarfed, I was never able to figure out why bridgy didn’t forward Reddit comments. I can’t tell from the docs if it’s designed to do that or not
# 21:39 [snarfed] oh sorry, only the second link is an example of comments specifically
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# 21:56 rattroupe[d] I’m a little relieved that there is a problem. I couldn’t tell if it was just me not using bridgy correctly, or if I had the wrong expectations of what it would do
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