#dev 2022-02-21

2022-02-21 UTC
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vika_nezrimaya That feeling when there were lots of updates to the IndieAuth token endpoint spec and https://tokens.indieauth.com/token doesn't follow it because, as far as I remember, it's old as heck
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vika_nezrimaya now there's HTTP 200 {"active": false} instead of HTTP 400 {"error": "unauthorized"}
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aaronpk it's also a separate endpoint
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vika_nezrimaya huh, now I'm thinking which part of the spec I'm supposed to follow
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vika_nezrimaya I am very confused
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aaronpk i'm still working on a post, but there's basically a bunch of new endpoints for the various functions the token endpoint was doing
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vika_nezrimaya honestly I'm planning to build that functionality into Kittybox so I could follow all of the spec stuff
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vika_nezrimaya but... for now I would like to at least port the existing features into my another rewrite
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vika_nezrimaya because I'm switching async runtimes over a heisenbug that I'm trying to track down
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vika_nezrimaya it's a funny story but my app starts hanging after some amount of requests
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vika_nezrimaya and I think the async runtime is bugged because I tried almost everything
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vika_nezrimaya and I do not believe my code could produce that bug
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vika_nezrimaya but I decided to throw out half of my code nevertheless, leaving only the core application logic... and maybe my storage backend logic
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vika_nezrimaya if the bug is still there, then it's the storage backend logic
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vika_nezrimaya because my core application logic doesn't concern itself with async scheduling at all
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GWG vika_nezrimaya: Hello. Hope all is well.
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vika_nezrimaya it is well... at least I'm not garbling any data in my storage backend
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vika_nezrimaya I'm just forced to restart the process after some time, which is usually indicated by the server's fan going crazy
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Murray[d] What are feeds
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/feeds
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Murray[d] Edge-case question: most of the content on my site is ordered chronologically. But sometimes, I will post a new article "in the past", including posting what is a "new" post that now appears before older content in the timeline. In terms of feeds like Atom/RSS, is there a preference as to whether these should mirror that chronology or would it make more sense to float new content to the top? Does anyone else run into this issue?
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Murray[d] also intreinterestedsted in how to solve for `h-feed` if I'm not about to change my display order on the site; it's chronological for a reason. Are there any tricks for informing a feed reader that the visual order is not the preferred order for subscribers?
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Murray[d] *interested (not sure what happened there, I blame spellchecker 😂)
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[tonz] presumably you could have a separate RSS feed based on add/changed timestamp rather than publication date? Some people seem to have that in my feedreader, where all of a sudden very old posts show up on top after a change (like cleaning up url, embeds etc)
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Murray[d] Yep, I guess my question RE: RSS/Atom is which behaviour is more common/preferred. I can make that feed provide any order I want, but what's best practice? Should I pull those posts to the top, or display them in order as per the site?
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[KevinMarks] a lot of feed models only show the most recent n (defined as 15 by the RSS spec at one point), so an old post may not show up id there are a lot in front of it
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Murray[d] that's true (and something I "use" to hide true backfed posts). So in that case, I probably should change my feed order to be date published rather than the actually relevant date (date occurred) that my site uses 🤔
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Murray[d] so I guess that provides a good argument for RSS, but what about `h-feed`? Is there any way to signal to consumers that the feed order as shown is not the relevant feed order?
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Murray[d] what is h-feed
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Loqi h-feed is a microformats2 draft specification with a top level feed object to contain root class(h-*) objects, usually h-entry posts and optionally a common author, name, and representative photo https://indieweb.org/h-feed
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[jgmac1106] I know everyone isn't a fan of cards for layout but I like them. I try to animate a flipping front to back but that breaks all the time and I am not updating my stylesheet. I need to simplify. Can I stack two divs with z-index and make one appear on click and the other disappear?
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Murray[d] Sure, that'd definitely work. Have a container with relative positioning, absolutely position the two child elements to the top-left and give them the same width and height and use z-index to hide one behind the other. Then you can either change the z-index value or even just set the opacity to 0 or display: none when an action is taken. `:hover` would be natively supported with just CSS (but not great on mobile) or add/remove a class with j
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Murray[d] `classList.toggle()` is your friend for that last bit 😄
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Murray[d] (also, mobile browsers are pretty good at swapping `:hover` to `onclick` these days, so that might work out most easily)
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@Synesthesia Webmentions revisited https://ift.tt/cPxM8LK (twitter.com/_/status/1495831471852077062)
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e-snail how serendipitous: I just read Rowan Manning's article (https://rowanmanning.com/posts/webmentions-for-your-static-site/) about this very topic
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jacky I've been looking for documentation on how to do this https://feeds.arstechnica.com/arstechnica/index
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jacky like CSS one's RSS feeds
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aaronpk it's called XSLT and there be dragons
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jacky heh tbh I just wanted to make it look a bit 'nicer' (not for feed readers but in browsers)
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aaronpk you can usually just steal someone else's XSLT file
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aaronpk i grabbed the wordpress one for one of my podcast feeds
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jacky ah bet
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jacky hm I found a boilerplate https://gist.github.com/natclark/bc4d993c2d5c70ab692b059a44a75882 from https://natclark.com/tutorials/xslt-style-rss-feed/
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aaronpk nice
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aaronpk it's a cool idea, but really a pain to work with
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jacky wow actually, lol, someone could use this to turn a Atom feed into a h-feed
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aaronpk haha sort of
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jacky yeah this is def going to be one of those "work with a glass of whiskey" kind of things
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aaronpk nobody's microformats parser is going to apply the xslt first :P
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jacky oh true lol
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jacky heh this is _def_ only for browsers then
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barnaby if anyone used client-side mf parsers for anything (e.g. in browser extensions) it’d work
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barnaby …probably
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jacky heh now that sounds like an experiment
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zerok[m] jacky: or also for stuff like pdf generation but that’s an even deeper rabbit hole 🤪
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jacky omg mf2 embedded in pdfs only discoverable in a browser
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barnaby nooooo
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barnaby stahp
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barnaby xD
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zerok[m] What have I done 😞
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jacky lol
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capjamesg[d] 😂
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[aciccarello] [jacky] You're welcome to steal my XSL https://www.ciccarello.me/blog/2021/04/17/styling-an-rssatom-feed-with-xsl/
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[KevinMarks] atom to h-feed I do with jinja2 and feedparser.
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[aciccarello] Looks like there's also a note about XSL on /OPML
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[aciccarello] Looks like /RSS#See_Also could use a cleanup
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jacky [aciccarello]: thank you!
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[snarfed] granary XML + XSLT => HTML could be a reasonable feature request
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[KevinMarks] I had a granary thought on the weekend - Goodreads feed to actually useful feeds (the others will have better suggestions for what actually useful means)
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petermolnar my XSLT for ATOM is at https://petermolnar.net/feed/atom.xsl and for OPML at https://petermolnar.net/opml.xsl if someone wants it
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