#dev 2022-03-17

2022-03-17 UTC
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[tantek] some thoughts on the markup for RSVPs to attempt to enable that: https://indieweb.org/rsvps#How_to_markup
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[tantek] jacky, are you able to click the "I’m going!" button on https://events.indieweb.org/2022/03/homebrew-website-club-pacific-zNW0jWBDveOD#rsvps ?
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jacky I am! I was working on something to show for tonight actually lol
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prologic Hey guys and gals👋
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prologic Remember when I invited y'all (or anyone) to help me design some kind of Indie-style IM/Chat/PM thingy
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prologic Well I've been highly motivated lately by the fact my young children are gaining interest in this space (messaging Mum/Dad, which will eventually be messaging their friends), so I decided to do something about it
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prologic I call it Salty IM (https://salty.im/)
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prologic Anyone interested in helping out with the project hit me up 🤗
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prologic WARNING: It's very much still in PoC stage and I'm rewriting the draft spec again as I'm not happy with it.
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@elijahmanor ↩️ Thanks, yeah the --doctor flag is my favorite! Ah yes, web mentions are fun. Here are a few resources to get you started... • https://www.swyx.io/clientside-webmentions by @swyx • https://css-tricks.com/jumping-into-webmentions-with-nextjs-or-not/ by @atilafassina • https://aboutmonica.com/blog/getting-started-with-webmention-next-js/ by @indigitalcolor (twitter.com/_/status/1504474406998867975)
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[aciccarello] prologic, I love the name 😁
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[aciccarello] One thing I was thinking about yesterday with expiring content. Do people tend to completely hide the content or just unlist it so it doesn't show up in feeds?
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[tantek] I believe the intent of expiring content is removal, not just unlisting
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[tantek] e.g. so that if someone reloads the page, had it in a tab etc., then the expiring content would be removed (which could be only *part* of a post)
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jacky I haven't implemented it yet but I do have ideas for this in the context of a feed and removing items that are 'expired'
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[tantek] in other news, how's everyone's NPM dependencies today? especially if you happen to have a server running at certain GeoIPs?
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[tantek] you can't "unlist" only part of a post
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[tantek] NPM << https://twitter.com/bantg/status/1504213698658938881
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/bantg/status/1504213698658938881" to the "See Also" section of /npm https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=80167&oldid=74050
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jacky I'm guessing content == entry in this case tbh
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jacky (or at least I'm parsing it as such)
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[tantek] I'm not, because my use-case was only part of a post
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[tantek] what is expiring post
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Loqi Expiring content is content that is only temporarily (ephemerally) relevant, and also part of a larger post, that can and should be (preferably automatically) removed once a particular datetime has passed (the expiration date) https://indieweb.org/expiring_post
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[tantek] dfn even makes that explicit
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jacky I guess then 'expiring post' and 'expiring content' might need to be either two separate pages or some sort of note indicating the difference
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[tantek] yes, we could create a separate expiring post page from the existing page
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jacky I also took that latter half of [aciccarello]'s comment as a framing of the kind of content
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jacky in the context of expiring posts, I'm unlisting them and adjust their audience to expect it to be only me
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jacky me/the author of the post
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[tantek] the latter part makes sense to me (making expired posts private) and thus by implication not listing them (for others)
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[aciccarello] I'm wondering if anyone supports both kinds of expiration. One where you don't want to highlight the content in the feed. The other where you want it to be in-accessible.
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[tantek] there's three levels so far: unlisted, private, removed
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jacky my eventual implementation is going to be only the former, the latter requires some unguessable URL stuff (the way I'd want to do it) and I don't want to do that just yet
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[tantek] there's potentially four actually, if you count the possibility of content with revisions
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[tantek] n.m. not four, but rather still 3 for the ephemeral partial content case
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[tantek] public previous revision with ephemeral content, private previous revision with ephemeral content, removed ephemeral content
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[snarfed] more background: https://indieweb.org/unlisted
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[tantek] Anyone here following or have opinions on https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3849/text specifically re: data interoperability and portability provisions?
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[tantek] Recent blog post from Google on similar topics: https://blog.google/outreach-initiatives/public-policy/building-data-portability-help-consumers-choose/
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] you probably have some opinions here
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[snarfed] nice! ...sadly not sure what Google's announcement amounts to though. $3M over 5y equates to...a few employees' headcount or so, ongoing, and the policy principles seem very vague and high level. 🤷
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[snarfed] maybe it's just, "hey, remember we do these things? we're still doing them!"
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[KevinMarks] Is that the DLF?
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[tantek] I think more DTP
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[tantek] [snarfed] that was my impression also. perhaps one of those blog posts that's focused on nudging stuff internally by making a public statement.
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[KevinMarks] Wasn't there a tweet series on what manager level you needed to be at Google to launch a project by writing a blog post
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angelo hmm.. i just posted something to discord but it didn't make it to irc
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angelo maybe i'm not configured.. anyway
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angelo we were playing around with the idea of representing /IndieMark levels/axes as concentric circles last night at HWC Pacific https://excalidraw.com/#room=454a3a1b74b5075b6e73,h3jLJR9Xypsr6NRUPtrIIw and i cleaned it up a bit, cc: tracydurnell[d]
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angelo thoughts/ideas? too much info/zoom?
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angelo open an SVG export in the browser and there's clickable links!
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