#dev 2022-03-26

2022-03-26 UTC
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aaronpk Jamietanna: i just got your webmention reply and it looks like you have an extra e-content in the markup so my site didn't parse it properly
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aaronpk there's no need for the e-content on the <aside> since that's what you're replying to, not part of your own post
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jamietanna Woops, thanks! I'd not seen that in my testing will look at fixing that ta%
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[KevinMarks] Is a missing h-cite that did it?
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[KevinMarks] Lots of interesting bits here https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2022/03/html-attributes-you-never-use/
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jacky oh yeah
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jacky blockquote[cite] is a good one
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jacky I wonder if that should be added to the mf2 parsing flow
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jacky granted it's not 'clickable'
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[KevinMarks] I thought we did mention it
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jacky I don't see it here https://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parse_a_document_for_microformats
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jacky nor is it https://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern
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[dariusdunlap] FWIW, I’m in the middle of reworking my various websites, including moving my primary “home” to dariusdunlap.com. Since most of my stuff is wordpress, I’m using this as an opportunity to brush up my PHP skillz. 🙃
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[dariusdunlap] I haven’t met the other Darius. Maybe someday a photo opp will present itself. Kazemi sounds like maybe a persian name. A true Darius. I’m an interloper with a father who was a history student when I was born.
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GWG Anything I can do to help?
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[dariusdunlap] Most of my difficulty, so far, is around the complexity of moving from a domain and email that I’ve used as my primary personal site for ages. But I’m about to dive in to setup dariusdunlap.com to work just the way I want, so I greatly appreciate the offer.
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[dariusdunlap] Of course, I’ll update anything I figure out or ask for help on anything WordPress in the #indieweb-wordpress channel.
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capjamesg[d] [KevinMarks] That is a really interesting article.
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capjamesg[d] I didn't know about a lot of those things.
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capjamesg[d] The optgroup especially caught my eye.
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[KevinMarks] [jacky] I think I was remembering the citations discussion
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eb Hi all, I sent this in the wrong channel first! What is the recommended authorization endpoint provider for selfhosting? It seems most people just use relme with indielogin, and this is disappointing to me because it feels as if it's becoming close to it's own silo. All of the ones I have found seem to be unmaintained/a second thought
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jacky eb: some people tend to spin up their own!
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jacky what are indieauth servers
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieauth servers" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "indieauth servers is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky err
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aaronpk Asking what *the* recommended self-hosted provider isn't really any better than everyone using a single hosted one anyway ;-)
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jacky this page has a few implementations https://indieweb.org/IndieAuth#Server_Implementations
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aaronpk But also I assume you mean IndieAuth.com not IndieLogin because IndieLogin isn't an IndieAuth authorization server
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eb aaronpk: I suppose it's not? It's still the default that many websites use, even if it's not a conventional server. Re: Not better to use the "common choice", having clicked each one, one of the following applies (assumes you have a certain stack, lacks screenshots, is unmaintained)
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aaronpk IndieLogin is not an IndieAuth server, it's an IndieAuth client that some IndieWebCamp websites like indieweb.org use
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eb sorry, perhaps I am not up to speed on termonology. As I understand it, first websites will look for authorization_endpoint, and if they don't find it use something like indielogin. I would like to selfhost my own authorization_endpoint, but am having trouble finding one that has screenshots/seems mantained
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aaronpk Sort of, websites will look for an authorization endpoint and if they don't find one they might then do some other domain verification like RelMeAuth.
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aaronpk IndieLogin wraps that whole process in an API for websites like indieweb.org to use, which keeps that logic out of MediaWiki. But it's not open for general use, it's just for a few IndieWebCamp sites
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aaronpk As far as self hosted authorization endpoints, that list on the wiki links to all the ones I know about. I'd say the WordPress Plugin is probably the most up to date and reliable, and there's also the Drupal one. Obviously if you aren't already running wordpress or Drupal that's a bit overkill. Selfauth is a minimal one that should be easy to deploy. I can't remember the state of the Ruby one but I
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aaronpk think it was in good shape last time I looked too
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GWG aaronpk: I'm flattered by the complement
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eb Thank you for that list. I'm aware the wordpress one is in quite a good state, the hard thing is that I don't use wordpress or drupal! The ruby one looked like a library, not a selfhost solution. That leaves selfauth, that is indeed selfhostable although PHP is a turn off (but not a dealbreaker)
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