#dev 2022-03-27

2022-03-27 UTC
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aaronpk
One of my hopes in bringing the IndieAuth spec closer to OAuth is that it might be possible to adapt some of the larger open source OAuth servers into IndieAuth servers with minimal work, that way there would be more options for standalone servers
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aaronpk
I think one of the hard things is it's tricky to set that up as a standalone thing, it often makes more sense to integrate it into your regular CMS, which is why you see libraries for it rather than standalone projects (with the notable exception of selfauth)
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aaronpk
For example, anyone familiar with Go who wants to see what it would take to turn Ory into an IndieAuth server? https://www.ory.sh/docs/welcome
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jacky
I forget who here is the resident Go person but I can see why this would be good
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jacky
like they work on Go core
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GWG
Will Norris?
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jacky
perhaps!
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jacky
I think so lol
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jacky
wow so going on their site, then twitter led me to https://twitter.com/nima_owji/status/1502367633265598466/photo/1
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@nima_owji
#Twitter is working on the “Twitter Circle” intro page for the web app. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNl7YIDWUAMPgPF.jpg
(twitter.com/_/status/1502367633265598466)
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jacky
looks like a way of handling /audience logic
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jacky
like a list of sorts?
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cambridgeport90[
There are lots of languages that need oAuth servers, actually. .NET is another one. I want to actually do that one of these days when I have the time and energy.
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[manton]
That “150 people” Twitter Circle mentioned yesterday reminds me a lot of Path. Interesting how Twitter is trying to balance the full social network with more limited uses (this, or like only letting certain people reply).
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jacky
[manton]: good point!
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jacky
dunbar's coming back around
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jacky
what is tiktok
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Loqi
TikTok is a video sharing app where users create and share short videos, often set to music https://indieweb.org/TikTok
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[manton]
[jacky] By the way, wanted to mention in case you didn’t know… Routing your “like” posts through Granary’s HTML → JSON Feed just creates empty posts with no text. Haven’t looked closely enough to know whether there’s an obvious solution to this. https://granary.io/url?input=html&output=jsonfeed&url=https://jacky.wtf/channel/all
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jacky
oh I have to remove that
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jacky
thank you for reminding me
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[manton]
In the Micro.blog timeline, this basically just creates a bunch of empty posts. Looks good for normal posts, though.
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[manton]
(Possibly I should skip posts with no text at all. Not sure.)
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jacky
hm actually, I need to fix my archive such that I can filter on post types from the URL itself
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jacky
I'll remove that feed for now
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jacky
mainly b/c I don't wanna clutter up everyonee's timelines
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[manton]
Cool. Being able to filter out certain post types makes sense. Although I also wonder if there’s something more Granary should be doing here? Dunno.
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jacky
I don't know for sure
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jacky
I could also be producing some sort of plain text in my like posts
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jacky
I'm curious about this because looking at even the jsonfeed of things, a like doesn't seem to have any implicit text
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jacky
and AFAICS, micro.blog doesn't surface likes on the main stream
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jacky
I have no problem changing some stuff so something like a p-summary for a like would have usable text
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jacky
(I'm avoiding using e-content b/c I share this logic with replies)
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[manton]
I haven’t thought about this too much, but p-summary seems to make sense to me for likes.
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[manton]
Curious what other people are doing.
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jacky
heh this is when it helps to have a 'state of microformats' union thng
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jacky
we should prob look into dates for that
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GWG
jacky: We have nothing on the agenda for future popups...would love to get that moving again.
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jacky
agenda as in planned or like proposed?
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jacky
because I see quite a lot of proposals at https://indieweb.org/2022/Pop-ups
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GWG
jacky: As in, the event calendar is empty for popups
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GWG
So, we have some ideas, but...
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jacky
ah okay
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GWG
I'd love to put more on the calendar to attend.
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jacky
I put some date ranges for me for the mf2 roundtable
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jacky
just need more input from others
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GWG
jacky: Done
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jacky
GWG++
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Loqi
GWG has 18 karma in this channel over the last year (71 in all channels)
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[tantek]
p-summary for likes text is already a reasonably well established practice I thought. Been doing it for years. jacky, view source on my home page for example and look for "like"
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[tantek]
also re: blockquote[cite} and microformats, feels like deja vu, pretty sure we had that exact conversation like a few weeks ago
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jacky
might try to adapt something like this
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[tantek]
hahaha yes! from your 7:53 today jacky, you asked almost the exact question 6 weeks ago: https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2022-02-10#t1644481404202800
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Loqi
haha
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Loqi
[jacky] curious that https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/blockquote#attr-cite isn't referenced as a method for mf2 parsing
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jacky
I think I _might_ add that to the rust parser mainly to encourage publishing
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Loqi
[jacky] blockquote[cite] is a good one
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jacky
yeah I remember that one
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[tantek]
jacky, [manton] re: p-summary for /like text, literally already documented as the How to for markup: https://indieweb.org/like#mark_up_and_post_a_like — was there a specific issue about that that needed more discussion?
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[tantek]
reading that smashingmag article, some good ones in there with actual user-visible impacts
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[tantek]
however quoting from the HTML spec is insufficient: "User agents may allow users to follow such citation links, but they are primarily intended for private use (e.g., by server-side scripts collecting statistics about a site’s use of quotations), not for readers."
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[tantek]
"user agents may" doesn't mean any browser actually bother to do anything
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[tantek]
also this is literally the first time I'm hearing of "intended for private use (e.g., by server-side scripts ...)" and very skeptical about that language, it sounds made-up
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[tantek]
hmm, cite on ins/del elements could be useful if there was a UI that provided a way to navigate to it
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[tantek]
decent article. the cite/datetime attributes aren't particularly useful though (no consuming application examples given)
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[tantek]
GitHub pages domain setup instructions are such garbage
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[tantek]
I'm thumbs downing all their pages and providing some blunt feedback about how useless they are
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[tantek]
and their own UI and instructions are in conflict 🙄
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[tantek]
some attempted improvement on our end: https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site/pull/15
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Loqi
[tantek] #15 more precision, code escape example domain
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