#dev 2022-04-13

2022-04-13 UTC
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@sandhawke ↩️ Without getting into the difference between real standards and W3C Recommendations, I should at least mentioned Micropub https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ and ActivityPub are "standards" which cover this functionality. https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/ Of course, Meta has no reason to play. (twitter.com/_/status/1514259076070486027)
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[manton] Strange that Dave would say there’s no standard instead of mentioning MetaWeblog which he created. Micropub would be even better but of course there’s no chance of Instagram supporting any API.
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@jackyalcine ↩️ Oh yeah, everything I do (posting on here, GitHub—⁣http://github.com/indieweb/webmention-ecosystem/issues/3 and sometimes YouTube) that involves posting somewhere else uses it (or a lil' manual action). (https://jacky.wtf/2022/4/Pi/Pi9ON2N_cmIRBgnR69bg-B-9) (twitter.com/_/status/1514267046334406660)
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[KevinMarks]1 There's also AtomPub, but he really doesn't want to mention that
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[KevinMarks]1 I do like the idea of Meta adopting MicroPub and calling it the Meta Weblog API tho
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> What is metaweblog?
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[KevinMarks]1 it's an old blog posting API based on xmlrpc
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[KevinMarks]1 hm, why didn't loqi give the page? https://indieweb.org/MetaWeblog
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[manton] [KevinMarks] Haha. Never thought about the Meta / MetaWeblog name conflict.
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aaronpk oh, do i need to update Loqi to recognize messages from the new discord gateway now?
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hs0ucy pwd
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hs0ucy lol
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hs0ucy (happen to me all the time)
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[tantek]1 that thread makes me want to create a posting standards page just to be able to summarily debunk "there's no standard for ..." type statements like that
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[tantek]1 [manton] exactly. MetaWeblog API (still interoperably supported by many clients & servers!), AtomPub (never got well adopted, does anyone support it?), Micropub, And yes even ActivityPub.
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[tantek]1 sandhawke++
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Loqi sandhawke has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek]1 what is a standard way of posting to the web
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "standard way of posting to the web" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "standard way of posting to the web is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek]1 standard way of posting to the web is /Micropub
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Loqi ok
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[tantek]1 😛
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[manton] [tantek] If my memory is right, Blogger switched from their own Blogger API (XML-RPC) to AtomPub. But then recently they dropped it and have a Google-specific API. These changes are what prompted Daniel Jalkut to drop support for Blogger in his app MarsEdit.
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[tantek]1 we should have a stub page for MarsEdit
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[tantek]1 what is MarsEdit
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Loqi MarsEdit is a Mac desktop app for blogging, supporting posting to several blog platforms including WordPress, Tumblr, and Micro.blog https://indieweb.org/MarsEdit
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Loqi +1
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[tantek]1 [manton] the last mention of AtomPub in the MarsEdit blog is https://redsweater.com/blog/3755/marsedit-4-5-wordpress-media-syncing which sounds like it's still supported
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[manton] I pinged Daniel and he corrected me… Google does still support AtomPub.
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[tantek]1 Good to know!
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[manton] I doubt anyone else supports it, unless there is some lingering support in Movable type maybe.
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[tantek]1 aaronpk, [manton] did we get issues filed on Micropub to add features necessary for an app like MarsEdit to support it? Can we link to them from https://indieweb.org/MarsEdit#IndieWeb_Support ?
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[tantek]1 what is AtomPub
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Loqi Atom Publishing Protocol is an IETF standard API for CRUD operations between blogging client and server software, RFC 5023 https://indieweb.org/AtomPub
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[manton] Good question. I think Micropub has everything that MarsEdit would need now, if you include some of the recent Micropub extensions. I can review it.
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[tantek]1 :thumbsup_all:
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[KevinMarks]1 AtomPub worked with AS1, so there may be some place that support it
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[tantek]1 I doubt it. There's zero sign of community left around Atom/AtomPub
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[KevinMarks]1 Sure, but something like jira might still use it
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[tantek]1 Nah, commercial products don't maintain API features unless there's ongoing demand. There's always a maintenance tax, and that stuff gets cut when usage drops to zero
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[tantek]1 zero sign of community citation: lack of edits on the Atom wiki for 10+ years, and most recent edits before that were spam / spam removal: http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/RecentChanges
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[tantek]1 Unless the Atom/AtomPub community magically moved somewhere else?
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aaronpk on the plus side the wiki is still up
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[tantek]1 because it's on Sam Ruby's personal site: https://intertwingly.net/
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[KevinMarks]1 There will be some leftover enterprise things that use it because its better than SOAP or XMLRPC but yes it is legacy now
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[tantek]1 were those "leftover enterprise things" documented on the Atom wiki anywhere that we can cite?
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jacky that led me to a session on micropub https://indieweb.org/2017/Austin/micropub
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jacky interesting question re: venue querying (there's a note on ^ about community db querying)
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GWG jacky: I was at that one..it was a good one...manton v aaronpk
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[manton] I should rewatch that and see what has changed. I think there have been some good Micropub extensions since then.
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Loqi definitely
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GWG [manton]: If it gives you any good insights, share
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