#dev 2022-04-28

2022-04-28 UTC
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[KevinMarks] you can tunnel h-feed in atom:content
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aaronpk Yeah don't do that
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@hdv ↩️ With GROQ you basically select data, filter it and then project what you want the JSON object for each item to look like. (In the linked example it's Nobel Prize winners, in my case it was webmentions… it works on any valid JSON) (twitter.com/_/status/1519659685317595140)
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@hdv Last night I had to wrangle 5+ years of Webmentions from my exported MySQL database to a JSON file to use in Eleventy and this GROQ playground helped me get through it https://groq.dev/edeee7b0-d54a-44a1-8292-f89967725437 (twitter.com/_/status/1519659084961796096)
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] are there any actively maintained Atom consuming codebases besides Unmung and Granary? Maybe private source feed readers?
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petermolnar [tantek]: any feed reader?
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petermolnar as in the open source ones as well?
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[tantek] what is a feed reader?
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Loqi A feed reader (AKA RSS reader) is an application (local or on the web) that subscribes to feeds (often limited to legacy Atom & RSS) and presents them in an interface for reading, typically without any way to respond, in contrast to a social reader https://indieweb.org/feed_reader
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[tantek] true, that's a lot! https://indieweb.org/feed_reader#Examples
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[KevinMarks] You could look for code that includes Feedparser
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[snarfed] and oddly Mastodon continued to require Atom, eg for discovery and following, long past the point when it switched to ActivityPub. afaik it still requires it
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[snarfed] (2017, but continued to be true)
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superkuh Hm. What does, "Hosted" mean in the context of the feed reader examples list?
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aaronpk means it's running at a website rather than something you run on your computer
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superkuh Ah. Thanks.
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[snarfed] also anything that does OStatus, eg GNU Social, Hubzilla, Friendica. https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/#ostatus--salmon=
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[snarfed] https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/1441#issuecomment-302968541
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Loqi [fenwick67] It sounds like "what is the bare minimum to let people follow me on Mastodon?" is still unanswered. I'd like to know for myself as well. Based on comments above it sounds like... * an Atom feed with [activitystream](http://activitystrea.ms/specs...
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[snarfed] server-based and not self-hosted
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@bph Matthias Pfefferle @pfefferle has a few thoughts around enhancing WordPress comments. (German) for the IndieWeb. While Gutenberg devs are rethinking Comment blocks, exploring, considering Webmentions and other standards could be on the roadmap, too. https://notiz.blog/2022/04/27/custom-post-type-comment/ (twitter.com/_/status/1519697559975084039)
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[fluffy] Ooh I wish I’d seen mastodon issue 1441 before setting up Bridgy Fed on my site. I’d much rather have set up my own webfinger provider that just links to individual category Atom feeds. I suspect that now my domain is permanently tainted with bridgy fed’s GPG key and I really don’t want to deal with signing posts.
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[snarfed] [fluffy] what makes you think "permanently tainted"?
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[fluffy] There have been many situations on Mastodon where an instance goes down because they lose their GPG key and the domain is permanently inaccessible to the rest of the Fediverse as a result.
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[fluffy] or rather they lose their GPG key as part of going down, and they’re unable to rebuild with a new one.
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[snarfed] huh. I'm not familiar with instance-wide keys in AP, whether GPG or otherwise
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[fluffy] witches.town and scifi.fyi being two examples of this which had widespread issues as a result.
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[fluffy] Huh, really? Maybe I misunderstood the issue then.
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[snarfed] and the per-user keys are RSA, not GPG, but that may not matter here
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[snarfed] I only know of per-user keys
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[fluffy] Maybe it isn’t an issue then. The only user that would be ‘lost’ if I took over my own webfinger is `@beesbuzz.biz@beesbuzz.biz` and I don’t actually care about that.
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[fluffy] I’d be providing identities like `@all@beesbuzz.biz`, `@comics@beesbuzz.biz`, `@blog@beesbuzz.biz`,e tc.
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[snarfed] Bridgy Fed definitely mints those for its users, and uses them. I don't know how if or for how long they're cached, but I've exported one for at least one user before who wanted to take over their AP account. I don't remember hearing back how it went, but I didn't hear problems
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[snarfed] ok!
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[fluffy] does the WebSub approach work? I don’t want to actually implement an ActivityPub actor.
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[fluffy] well, aside from maybe providing an outbox.
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[fluffy] I’d just be continuing to use my WebSub hub (Superfeedr at present although I’ve been thinking of replacing that as well)
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[snarfed] understood! federating with AP always seems so fragile and opaque if you're not using one of the standard, heavyweight services like Mastodon etc
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[snarfed] I've done a number of deep dives on it over the years for Bridgy Fed, mostly for Mastodon interop, which has its own confusing extra req'ts, and those change over time
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[snarfed] so I still don't understand it well enough to advise 😐
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ @olynch@mathstodon.xyz I remember a few years back trying to talk @johncarlosbaez into supporting this sort of syndication and webmentions on his site when he was irked at Google+ shutting down. Glad to see more people getting it working. (twitter.com/_/status/1519757560865243138)
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[fluffy] On a related note, I’ve run into issues with bridgy fed where if I have Pushl do an archive crawl it’ll spam the timeline with old posts as if they were new, even though the GUIDs haven’t changed. How long does bridgy fed hold onto old posts?
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[snarfed] hmm! it doesn't hold onto them at all, it always reads from your site fresh each time. maybe I don't understand the q though...?
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[snarfed] when it converts from mf2 to AS2, if your post has `u-uid`, it uses that as the AS2 `id`, otherwise it omits `id`
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[snarfed] I checked the logs just now and confirmed. It does send an AP `Create` request for every webmention from a (usable) post on your site, but as long as your post's `uid` hasn't changed, or the URL if you don't have `uid`, the AP id should be the same, so ideally there shouldn't be dupes
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@aswath ↩️ I would suspect POSSE goes hand-in-hand w indieauth. I would think this along w Akismet/Disqus would reduce the problem. (twitter.com/_/status/1519803726428577793)
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