#dev 2022-06-07
2022-06-07 UTC
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[Scott_Jack] oh no first I've heard of that'
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[tantek] interesting critical read about experience with webmentions (including UX, user expectations, privacy) https://www.brycewray.com/posts/2022/05/indieweb-experiment-ends/
# [snarfed]1 the Bridgy GDPR part is odd. he conflates privacy with GDPR compliance, which...ok, but then he omits all the GDPR legal details we have in the docs, and selectively quotes only the part where we say we're not 100% sure if it complies
# [snarfed]1 🤷
# [snarfed]1 (the backfeed user expectation question is fair though! we documented it a bit on https://indieweb.org/backfeed#Discussion . he may be in a vocal minority, but still totally valid, there's a range of opinions in the wild.)
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@m_ott “The steps aren’t simple, and most of my friends are not web developers. So, to me, this all feels like the prototype of an idea – a proof of concept. […] What I would like to see is a tool that helps bring the entire system together in one place.” @TerribleMia about #webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1534055442472656898)
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@JasonRouet I just found the perfect place to contribute on the #Webmention plugin by @pfefferle (french in progress). It’s cal… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1534105194744651776 (twitter.com/_/status/1534105194744651776)
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petermolnar re privacy: I'll bring https://indieweb.org/2018/Berlin/ethics in again
# petermolnar that session needs to be revisited and probably turned into guidelines we agree on
# petermolnar maybe even some level of an extension of webmention fetching/parsin
# petermolnar g
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@florian_karsten ↩️ Only "originally". Long before it was coopted by crypto the term Web 3.0 was already in use by W3C for semantic web and interoperable protocols. Indieweb, ActivityPub, Webmentions came from that effort. Many people were surprised that term now means crypto. History just repeats. (twitter.com/_/status/1534163583625580544)
# [Scott_Jack]1 lol if you're a user and you're concerned about privacy, why are you mentioning a website you don't contorl
# [Scott_Jack]1 i guess if someone ever complains I'll just block them from future comments
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# [Scott_Jack]1 Good reminder to put some kind of privacy page up though, I suppose
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# [Scott_Jack]1 Ok so I recently set up FreshRSS
# [Scott_Jack]1 and today I discovered this extension that lets you Like posts over Micropub
# [Scott_Jack]1 https://github.com/rosiel/FreshRSS-Micropub-Like
# [Scott_Jack]1 Which is cool, because I had been thinking: "what if I could share posts directly from FreshRSS to my WordPress install with a small comment"
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@oldaily What we talk about when we're talking about "Webmentions" #oldaily https://www.downes.ca/post/73801 Way back in 2002 I built something called the Referrer System that found links to your web page and listed them. All you had to do is put a little Javascript snippit on your page. (twitter.com/_/status/1534177897346375681)
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# [Scott_Jack]1 GWG fair enough ... I probably do use Reeder more
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@hdv ↩️ when I first integrated it into my site I was lucky my CMS of choice (Perch) had it built in so was minimal effort (thanks @drewm / @rachelandrew).
It'd be so nice to have more tools and services support webmention out of the box (twitter.com/_/status/1534192462104875010)
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AramZ-S[m] <[tantek]> "write code such that it doesn'..." <- I generally agree that it is possible to write code in such a way that it is easier to be adapted into new flows and new languages but occasionally there are quirks of languages that make it easier or harder to read and easier or harder to change into other systems.
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# [tantek] naming << 2022-06-03 [https://thenewstack.io/best-practices-for-naming-variables-what-the-research-shows/ Best Practices for Naming Variables: What the Research Shows]
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Loqi ok, I added "2022-06-03 [https://thenewstack.io/best-practices-for-naming-variables-what-the-research-shows/ Best Practices for Naming Variables: What the Research Shows]" to the "See Also" section of /naming https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=81826&oldid=81642
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# AramZ-S[m] ActivityPub << [https://github.com/dariusk/express-activitypub Sample Express implementation]
# Loqi ok, I added "[https://github.com/dariusk/express-activitypub Sample Express implementation]" to the "See Also" section of /ActivityPub https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=81827&oldid=81462
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# [KevinMarks]1 Nice to hear from Don Hopkins again. I remember him being ahead of his time on how to use javascript well
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# [KevinMarks]1 “If a variable only holds the values “true” or “false”, end its name with a question mark.” what weird language let's you use a question mark in a variable name?
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# [Scott_Jack]1 KevinMarks: in the Hacker News source, he only says that it's a great idea, and the context (how Rails uses _at and _on to signify datetime vs date) is about making names more "natural". But ultimately it's not a useful idea, is it? Hopkins' preference of important words at the beginning to make better use of auto-completion is one of the more useful concepts I see here
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[schmarty] ruby lets you do it. a lot of the object database mappers will let you check the value of a boolean columns with a `?` at the end. so like a post table with a `draft` boolean could be checked with `post.draft?`
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jacky random: do we have a browser extension for something like /webactions?
# Loqi A web action is the interface and user experience of taking a specific discrete action, across the web, from one site to another site or application, like a reply button on a post, which when activated, allows you to reply using your own site instead of the site you are viewing https://indieweb.org/webactions
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# [schmarty] omnibear is still working for me, tho i am not sure how up-to-date it is for recent indieauth spec updates.
# [schmarty] i've also had it installed for a long time so idk what its status is on the various browser plugin directories
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