#dev 2022-06-09

2022-06-09 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] On the earlier topic of styling Tweets, I recall Quotebacks being fairly popular over the last year or so and have seen them embedded in people's websites in the wild. https://quotebacks.net/ Perhaps they might be encouraged to have a handful of potential styles including twitter for making this sort of design element to be easier. I think some of theirs is done by javascript the way Twitter does, but it should degrade to raw
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[chrisaldrich] HTML if their server disappears (or one could host that code locally).
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[chrisaldrich] It could be useful to have something like quotebacks that allowed a UI to match some of the design elements of social silos for embedding on one's site so it was obvious that it came from a particular silo, but could still be easily/quickly customized to fit [jacky]'s desire to have styling to fit the look and feel of his own site. Could also allow one to use their own javascript, if necessary, without relying on Twitter's
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[chrisaldrich] payloads and tracking or ever-changing design ideas.
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[Scott_Jack] Yeah quotebacks degrades much like twitter embeds are designed to, and I think it's fairly trivial to change their appearance.
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[Scott_Jack] I was playing around with shoving a tweet into a quoteback embed
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[Scott_Jack] but Twitter seems to make it especially difficult to display profile photos and media from their silo
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[Scott_Jack] I was struggling to get either to display in a quoteback or using Post Kinds plugin; but maybe that's just me
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> [schmarty] "countable ambiguities" 😂
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> @sunset I saw that. I haven't used Atom in a while. For quite a while, I used exclusively Atom.
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@nick_chater What we talk about when we're talking about "Webmentions" https://ift.tt/rtUJY3m (twitter.com/_/status/1534798529633427456)
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jacky I wonder if this https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-privacypass-auth-scheme-01.html can be used for Webmentions to help with spam
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jacky found from https://blog.cloudflare.com/eliminating-captchas-on-iphones-and-macs-using-new-standard/
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Loqi Countdown set by aaronpk on 2022-01-27 at 3:20pm UTC
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Loqi webmention.io's 10 year anniversary
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aaronpk 😮
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[tantek] wow
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[tantek] webmentionio++
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Amazing!
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> webmentionio++
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[manton] I’ve made some improvements this week to how Micro.blog can function as a Webmention.io-like service, so I made a new web page with examples. http://micro.blog/webmention
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[manton] I don’t think anyone is really using it this way, but in the spirit of plurality it’s something I’d like to do more of, i.e. free IndieWeb-friendly services that don’t require bringing along all of the platform.
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jacky [manton]++
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[tantek] [manton]++ this is amazing!!!
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[tantek] micro.blog=+
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[tantek] micro.blog++
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[snarfed] manton++ awesome!
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[tantek] that page http://micro.blog/webmention is worth IndieNewsing
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[Scott_Jack] super cool [manton] thanks for all your work
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[manton] Thanks y’all!
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[KevinMarks]1 Micro.blog wants jsonfeed or rss but not h-feed on my site?
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aaronpk manton++ this is great! I want to add a big banner to the top of webmention.io suggesting people use this instead 😂
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[tantek] what is webmention.io
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Loqi webmention.io is an open-source project and hosted service for receiving webmentions and pingbacks on behalf of your indieweb site https://indieweb.org/webmention.io
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[tantek] ^ maybe start by updating that wiki page to present the microblog alternative? or do we need a new page for webmention services?
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@m_ott ↩️ I admire @adactio for the quality, frequency, and continuity of his posts. @mxbck’s site has a fabulous design, a great Webmention implementation, and an ingenious theme selector at the top. And @colly’s site is just wonderful in how personal and carefully designed it is. (twitter.com/_/status/1534962751411367936)
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[Scott_Jack] Will be interesting to see if bearblog.dev adds Micropub - they currently have some kind of API on the roadmap
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[Scott_Jack] Part of the appeal of their hosting is 'no javascript' so I doubt a webmention solution like webmention.io or micro.blog's will happen
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@MrSkanner Am I on the #Indieweb yet? -- Visual Design | The Digital Insider: https://bit.ly/3xlBdMD. #Developer #Experienced #Learn #Link #Play #Tech #Webmentions #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/1534968433376382998)
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@MrMarchi Am I on the #Indieweb yet? -- Visual Design | The Digital Insider: https://bit.ly/3xlBdMD. #Developer #Experienced #Learn #Link #Play #Tech #Webmentions #WordPress (twitter.com/_/status/1534968401059266560)
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gRegor Did Substack come up in the tweet embed conversation? I just noticed they appear to be using some embed of their own which looks good without JS even.
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[tantek] this (tweet embeds) sounds worthy of documenting at this point with multiple examples and screenshots
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[tantek] what is an embedded Tweet?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "embedded Tweet" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "embedded Tweet is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] An embedded Tweet is the display of a [[tweet]] on a website other than Twitter, though with a similar presentation, and typically some ability to interact with the tweet directly. https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/how-to-embed-a-tweet
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] gRegor can you add the Substack example you found? perhaps with a screenshot even (with/without JS)
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gRegor Sure, let me find a better example. This tweet is hilarious, but probably not the best out of context, haha
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gRegor Interesting in particular: "don’t grab the embed code; it won’t work"
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gRegor (the official Twitter embed code)
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[manton] [KevinMarks] That’s true, no h-feed yet. Haven’t figured out a great way to incorporate that into the way Micro.blog currently thinks about feeds.
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[KevinMarks]1 How far is parsed mf2 from jsonfeed?
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[KevinMarks]1 What do you parse the rss with?
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[snarfed] fwiw granary converts to/from jsonfeed
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[snarfed] probably not what micro.blog would use in production, but feel free to check it out as an example
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aaronpk ohai new HTTP version https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9110/
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[Scott_Jack] That was my experience yesterday gRegor
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[Scott_Jack] broken official embed code
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[manton] [KevinMarks] I use a couple Ruby libraries: SimpleRSS and Nokogiri. Transitioning to the latter because it’s quite a bit more efficient. I do parse MF2 for a lot of things… h-entry, h-card, etc. But just don’t pull in h-feeds.
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