#dev 2022-06-14

2022-06-14 UTC
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[Scott_Jack] the ruby gem wayback-machine-downloader is pretty nifty
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[Scott_Jack] https://github.com/hartator/wayback-machine-downloader
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Loqi [hartator] wayback-machine-downloader: Download an entire website from the Wayback Machine.
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[tantek] does anyone have indie-config actively setup and working on their website?
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Not really.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> I want to do this though.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> I have it sort of working on my /poll/ page but I haven't tested it with any site other than my own.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Maybe try? https://jamesg.blog/poll/
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[tantek] voxpelli, barnabywalters ^
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[tantek] what is indie-config
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Loqi indie-config is a way to setup your IndieWeb site to make itself available to your web browser to recognize webactions like reply & like buttons on other sites, and then delegate handling of those actions to your site https://indieweb.org/indie-config
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> I used the default scripts for web action handlers / indie-config.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> With a bit of customization to meet my needs.
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[tantek] campjamesg, indie-config is not for other people visiting your site. it's for you, when you visit other people's sites
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> 🤦‍♂️
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Apologies, I conflate that and the indie-action HTML element.
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[tantek] so asking someone to "try ... yourwebsiteURL ..." doesn't actually mean that *you* have setup indie-config
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> Still learning about this.
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> *custom HTML element
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[tantek] those are the two halves yes
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IWDiscordGateway <capjamesg> In that case, yes, I have indie-config set up.
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[tantek] indie-action goes on post permalinks with [[webaction]] buttons
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[tantek] indie-config goes on your homepage, with some way for *you* to activate it to handle incoming webaction requests
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[tantek] capjamesg, just added to the top of https://indieweb.org/indie-config — does that help distinguish the two
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jacky lTIL that bridgy seems to be using GraphQL! https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1655138573&key=agdicmlkLWd5ckQLEg1QdWJsaXNoZWRQYWdlIh1odHRwczovL2phY2t5Lnd0Zi8yMDIyLzYvM1lJWQwLEgdQdWJsaXNoGICA6IXWoo8KDA&module=default
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@brianleroux indieauth should become ubiquitous if only to nuke the planet of social logins, and cheesy auth vendors that ride atop their nonsense … https://indieauth.spec.indieweb.org (twitter.com/_/status/1536765733484388354)
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jacky that was a good idea
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jacky *read
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jacky this line stood out to me:
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jacky > “IndieWeb” is a new term for many folks and that’s where a lot of confusion breeds. Is it a framework? A philosophy? A set of standards? Depending on which one it is, the expectations shift as far as what it looks like to be a part of it.
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jacky also where is this image? https://i0.wp.com/css-tricks.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/banner-1544x500-1.png?resize=1024%2C332&ssl=1
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jacky I like it a lot lol
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[tantek] it's on the wiki somewhere 🙂
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sknebel its the banner of the WP plugin: https://de.wordpress.org/plugins/indieweb/
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Loqi [IndieWebCamp WordPress Outreach Club] Beschreibung The IndieWeb Plugin for WordPress helps you establish your IndieWeb identity by extending the user profile to provide rel-me and h-card fields and optionally adding widgets to display this. It also includes a bundled installer for a cor...
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jacky ooooh
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@MrMarchi De-Mystifying #Indieweb on a #WordPress Site -- Visual Design | The Digital Insider: https://bit.ly/3mKiVQb. #APIs #Article #Business #Community #Endpoint #Google #HowTo #Illustration #Images #Play #Plugins #Tech #Webmentions #WordpressThemes (twitter.com/_/status/1536773514556063744)
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@MrSkanner De-Mystifying #Indieweb on a #WordPress Site -- Visual Design | The Digital Insider: https://bit.ly/3mKiVQb. #APIs #Article #Business #Community #Endpoint #Google #HowTo #Illustration #Images #Play #Plugins #Tech #Webmentions #WordpressThemes (twitter.com/_/status/1536773501620785152)
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GWG How do I decide if I should even keep Pingbacks and Trackback support?
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GWG Other than it is there already
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GWG I'm questioning if I should disable or change my approach of not caring
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jacky does it provide immediate value to your site?
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GWG jacky: Not in ages
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jacky b/c I was thinking of keeping things like that on a purely incremental thing (but using the same filtering I would use for Webmention)
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jacky chuck the support then :)
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GWG I considered implementing a new pingback and Trackback functionality for my site that wouldn't display it in the traditional or the webmentiony way
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GWG Like a counter or something
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GWG I remember a discussion that [tantek] was in where we discussed 3 levels of display based on trust and I might put Pingbacks and Trackbacks into the lowest
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GWG Although I think I'd disable Trackbacks entirely
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[tantek] GWG this is the point of gathering numbers and going a blog post "not in ages"
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GWG [tantek]: Yes, I'm just pointing out it hasn't been important because no one was mentioning me in any large numbers. And they may not again after this.
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GWG But I will probably write on the subject.
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[tantek] That is, gather stats on how many actual useful/relevant pingbacks you have gotten in the past IDK 5 years vs spam pingbacks. Then the same with Webmentions. Show those metrics and then say clearly there is no reason to keep pingbacks on, so you are going to turn them off and recommend others do so as well, with a call for others to publish their own data if they have a different experience.
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GWG Because now I want to.
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GWG [tantek]: There's only one pingback I found that I didn't mark as spam(and I only keep spam for 3 months)...it would be Maxwell Joslyn, oddly enough, in 2021.
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GWG Everything else was garbage
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[snarfed] reminds me of https://snarfed.org/wordpress-spam-statistics-comments-pingbacks-trackbacks
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[tantek] That's worth mentioning because it demonstrates that you do actually have a functional pingback system
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[tantek] And yeah, Trackback has been worthless for a decade or more
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GWG WordPress won't let you turn off trackbacks only. It only has a setting to disable all
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GWG Time to write a plugin
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[tantek] I'd be surprised if there wasn't a plugin already that just "turned off trackbacks"
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[tantek] If not, then yeah, worth shipping something minimal for that. Zero config. "Disable trackbacks" — no options, that's all it does.
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GWG [tantek]: It wasn't possible till someone got them to add a hook
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GWG Then I never wrote the plugin to use it
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[tantek] So there's a hook in core, just no plugin to activate it?
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GWG Yup
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GWG I added the hook
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GWG Maybe I'll finally do it
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[tantek] Worth it. Include in its "about" screen links and encouragements to download the IndieWeb Plugin if it's not already installed (if WP plugins can see which other plugins are installed or not)
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[tantek] !tell voxpelli,barnabywalters do you still have indie-config setup on your personal site and does it still work? in which browser(s)? can you update your https://indieweb.org/indie-config#IndieWeb_Examples entry accordingly?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ Some have been experimenting with using the Webmention spec to allow one wiki, note, or digital garden space interact with another. It's become quite common in the blogosphere, why not for online notes or zettelkasten? https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1536795123874508800)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ In fact, here's a good example of one of @andy_matuschak's notes interacting directly via webmention to create bi-directional links (albeit just a notification in this case) with my notes. https://boffosocko.com/2021/07/03/differentiating-online-variations-of-the-commonplace-book-digital-gardens-wikis-zettlekasten-waste-books-florilegia-and-second-brains/#comment-368792 https://notes.andymatuschak.org/z2QvtE9w5zs49x7WUeG8Ut1vywHDLiG2Wkm9p (twitter.com/_/status/1536798127725891584)
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