#dev 2022-09-29

2022-09-29 UTC
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GWG [snarfed]1: When using brid.gy micropub to publish, would you have an example of how you'd structure the submission?
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[snarfed]1 GWG not yet, no. It's just Micropub. Is there anything specific you're looking for help on?
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@Free_LanceTools Radiopaper Radiopaper is like publicly aggregated Webmentions, which might work even better. This article was published at Post Status — the community for WordPress professionals. https://poststatus.com/radiopaper/ (twitter.com/_/status/1575375442529452035)
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capjamesg [James_Van_Dyne] I have just pushed what I think will be the final PR for the v0.3 release.
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capjamesg sknebel re: h-feeds. Could a parser return a h-feed nested in a h-entry?
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sknebel capjamesg: again, a *parser* doesnt care. it doesnt understand or care what a feed or entry is
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sknebel so a parser will return any combination you put into html
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[KevinMarks] You could legitimately put a comments feed inside an entry.
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sknebel capjamesg: whats the motivation behind the question?
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capjamesg sknebel IndieWeb Utils only looks for a h-feed at the top of the mf2py response tree (the root "properties" object).
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capjamesg I wondered if this was inaccurate.
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sknebel ok, so not really related to parsers
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sknebel for feed pages you usually would expect the h-feed at the top
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sknebel I think tantek does his homepage with an h-feed inside an h-card though
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sknebel so it depends what you are looking for an h-feed for
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capjamesg This is to determine the "representative h-feed" of a document.
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sknebel I think that could reasonably be nested, but I'm also not sure of the details of how that works and if we even have a good-enough definition of what it is supposed to be
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sknebel (sorry for the non-answer here :D)
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GWG [snarfed]1: I might be misunderstanding. So, I have a post on my site, and I want to syndicate that to, let's say Twitter using this...how would I do that?
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barnaby [snarfed]1: fwiw I was also very confused about what bridgy micropub is for and how it works. one or two examples would likely clear it up
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sknebel you make a micropub request to bridgy, and bridgy posts on the silo
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barnaby to which silo? all which you’ve connected to bridgy?
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sknebel the one you got the token for
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sknebel bridgy doesn't have a concept of "you", it only knows silo accounts
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[snarfed]1 right, Bridgy Micropub gives you a separate token per silo account
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[snarfed]1 and it doesn't use posts on your site, it just uses the Micropub post content as is
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[snarfed]1 good point though! I can definitely add an example
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aaronpk kylewm did a good job with docs for silopub
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aaronpk https://silopub.p3k.io/developers
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@post_status Love the Webmentions. Be like @cagrimmett! Use Webmention: https://indieweb.org/Webmention #IndieWeb #OpenWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1575508148177506305)
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GWG [snarfed]1: I think that's what I'm looking for as well... what properties are recognized
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GWG And how I'd identify it as a syndicated copy. Do I have to add a link back to the original?
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@shindakun Whoops looks like I left off some CSS for the webmentions on http://shindakun.net. I should probably fix that up after work. (twitter.com/_/status/1575527189067726849)
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[snarfed]1 GWG sure! It behaves exactly the same as normal Bridgy Publish, and supports the exact same mf2 in the same ways. it just gets that mf2 from the micropub request rather than from a post on your site
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GWG Okay... that's exactly what I would put in the about...
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[KevinMarks] Looks like the bridgy fatwigoo problem
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[snarfed]1 how so?
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[KevinMarks] https://shindakun.net/post/the-steam-deck/
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[KevinMarks] The big icons because brid.gy returns the raw image, so you need a css width
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[snarfed]1 oh that tweet, not bridgy micropub, ok
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gRegor Started a checklist for the next indieauth-client-php release: https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php/issues/20
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #20 Checklist for next release
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capjamesg [James_Van_Dyne] I filed a few PRs which are small revisions.
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capjamesg After the IO refactor one is merged, I have one more PR.
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[schmarty] gRegor+++
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Loqi gRegor has 12 karma in this channel over the last year (66 in all channels)
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@newleafjournal Question for WordPress/IndieWeb experts. I have the Webmentions and Semantics Backlinks plugins installed. At the moment I don't actually show the Webmentions because I don't enable comments. However, Mastodon comments (not likes/boosts, but… https://linuxrocks.online/@nafnlj/109083191946591281 (twitter.com/_/status/1575558687694929920)
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capjamesg I now understand why Route 53 is called Route 53.
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jacky what is 2023
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "2023" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "2023 is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky what is a resolution
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "resolution" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "resolution is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky darn
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jacky oof wrong channel
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jacky been working on a rough draft of a 'IndieWeb CLI' tool
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jacky https://git.jacky.wtf/indieweb/rust/src/branch/feature/implement-cli/clihttps://git.jacky.wtf/indieweb/rust/src/branch/feature/implement-cli/cli
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jacky wanted to add that to my committments for 2023
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jacky truthfully all of that is to make it easy to swap out my h-card from the CLI lol
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jacky (because then I'd want to make something that'd listen for changes to my h-card and see if I can update it across services
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capjamesg jacky amazing!
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jacky heh ty!
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jacky let's see if I get it done tho ;)
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capjamesg What are your websub ambitions in the library?
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capjamesg This is cool!
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jacky fixed link: https://git.jacky.wtf/indieweb/rust/src/branch/feature/implement-cli/cli/README.md
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jacky oh I haven't considered WebSub yet
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capjamesg Your library has the same motivations as indieweb-utils for Python.
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jacky oh? I should prob take a peek to see if there's things I can pick up
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capjamesg I love seeing useful algorithms in different languages!
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jacky yeah https://docs.rs/indieweb/latest/indieweb/standards/websub/index.html websub is still a bit sparse
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jacky mainly b/c I haven't been using it heavily yet
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capjamesg Our GitHub desc. is "Utilities to aid the implementation of various IndieWeb specifications and functionalities."
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jacky nice - def need more of that
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jacky I'm hoping to also integrate usage examples to make it more clear to use
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jacky the most robust one is the indieauth one https://docs.rs/indieweb/latest/indieweb/standards/indieauth/index.html
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jacky I think after that would be https://docs.rs/indieweb/latest/indieweb/standards/micropub/enum.QueryResponse.html; keeping the kind of responses from Micropub as normalized as possible
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jacky I do need to vendor something about _what_ versions of Micropub, IndieAuth, etc these things implement
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barnaby ah rust docs look so nice. the new phpdocumentor theme is okay, but not nearly as good
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barnaby jacky: there’s a weird space in the word authorization in https://docs.rs/indieweb/latest/indieweb/standards/indieauth/index.html#redeeming-an-authorization-code
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gRegor jacky, were you looking for https://indieweb.org/2023-01-01-commitments ?
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gRegor nvm, saw you found it already
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jacky what is svelte
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "svelte" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "svelte is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky what are web frameworks
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "web frameworks" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "web frameworks is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky boo
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jacky what is javascript
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Loqi JavaScript (JS) is a popular programming language due to its nearly ubiquitous availability in web browsers, and growing web server availability in the form of node.js https://indieweb.org/Javascript
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gRegor what is framework
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Loqi A framework (in this context software framework or web framework in particular) is a software library and ways of using it that provides an alternative (often simplified) way of writing software, typically explicitly instead of how you would normally write that software https://indieweb.org/framework
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jacky gRegor++ send the finest ale to the house of gRegor
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Loqi gRegor has 13 karma in this channel over the last year (67 in all channels)
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jacky lol
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gRegor mm, cider please :)
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jacky omg all of that work only to see that web frameworks tend to have their own page lol
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gRegor web frameworks is /framework
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Loqi ok
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jacky what is svelte
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "svelte" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "svelte is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky svelte is a [[JavaScript]] web framework for making interactive Web pages
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Loqi ok
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gRegor lol at "div megadungeon" from the see also on /framework
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jacky lolol
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gRegor There's an idea for any D&D indieweb players
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jacky what is Svelte
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Loqi svelte is a JavaScript web framework for making interactive Web pages https://indieweb.org/svelte
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jacky Svelte is /svelte
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gRegor the what is is case-insensitive
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jacky yeah just wanted it on there
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jacky svelte kit has really checked off all of the boxes for me with webdev
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gRegor You can Move (top right) svelte to Svelte
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gRegor More menu > Move
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jacky excellent, ty
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jacky re: threads in #indieweb-meta, that does make me want to focus more on making more interactive things on my site
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jacky like even letting someone sign into it to engage with it using their own site