#dev 2022-11-10

2022-11-10 UTC
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@RubygemsN webmention (7.0.0): A Ruby gem for sending and verifying Webmention notifications. https://rubygems.org/gems/webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1590546955914350593)
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@sil ↩️ Adopting the concept, yes. Better would have been for them to use Webmentions, which are what Pingback should be; that is, not using XML-RPC, I think -- Pingback was designed when that was the cool thing, which it no longer is :) https://www.kryogenix.org/days/2014/11/29/enabling-webmentions/ has more on that! (twitter.com/_/status/1590614757572165632)
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@remouk ↩️ Oh weird. No I don't! I have: ActivityPub, Akismet Anti-Spam, IndieWeb, Jetpack, Link Manager, Redirection, Semantic-Linkbacks, WebFinger, Webmention, Wordfence Security, WP MyLinks, WP Super Cache. I'd be surprised any of them changes the title. Sorry to have bothered you if.. (twitter.com/_/status/1590648078755037184)
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@oso ↩️ @sil @SubstackInc @Hixie Ooh, it *would* be nice if @wordpress adopted webmentions in the core code — maybe with… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1590624905196105728 (twitter.com/_/status/1590624905196105728)
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[Jamie_Tanna] Folks using Bridgy Fed, have folks been able to consume your sites feed through it?
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[Jamie_Tanna] Someone following my site is seeing this:
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[Jamie_Tanna] ```
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[Jamie_Tanna] ```2022-11-10T09:03:31.150Z pid=1 tid=ryqtp WARN: HTTP::TimeoutError: Read timed out after 10 seconds on https://fed.brid.gy/www.jvt.me/inbox
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[Jamie_Tanna] And not sure if this is related or a separate issue?
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[Jamie_Tanna] Looks like I can see some of Tantek's through my IndieWeb.social home page
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[Jamie_Tanna] Oddly, I think it could be because my `application/atom+xml` is the same link as `application/rss+xml` so https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jvt.me only shows one of them
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[Jamie_Tanna] For instance, on Tantek's site:
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[Jamie_Tanna] ```<link rel="alternate" type="application/atom+xml" href="updates.atom"/>```
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[Jamie_Tanna] ```<link rel=alternate type=application/atom+xml href=/feed.xml title="Jamie Tanna | Software Engineer">```
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[Jamie_Tanna] And on mine:
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[Jamie_Tanna] Gonna see what happens with a separate URL for Atom :crossed_fingers:
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aaronpk wow my AP inbox just crossed 1 million messages received
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aaronpk i do wish i would stop receiving delete messages for accounts i've never seen before
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aaronpk interestingly, the rate of messages i'm getting now is still less than I received in 2018, despite following more people now
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jacky what is ngrok
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Loqi Ngrok is a utility for making local servers available on a public address https://ngrok.com/ https://indieweb.org/ngrok
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[snarfed] [Jamie_Tanna] that 10s Bridgy Fed timeout is interesting. all requests I see in the logs anywhere near that time were fast (<100ms) and returned 200. maybe network issue on their end or between somewhere?
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[snarfed] (having said that, BF does everything synchronously, and some operations do take multiple external fetches - activities and actors, webmentions, etc - so there's definitely a steady trickle of requests up in the 10-20s range)
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[aciccarello]1 [snarfed] I noticed that bridgy fed has the ability to choose an account name but it's not documented. Is that something you'd like documented or is that too alpha to share? https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/3
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Loqi [00dani] #3 allow users to choose their own username
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[snarfed] [aciccarello] true! I haven't looked at that in a long time, let me see
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[snarfed] looks like no one's used it in the last 2 mos. feel free to try though! just need to add an acct: u-url to your site's representative h-card, eg @username@domain.com
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[snarfed] I'm a bit reluctant to evangelize it, since changing username results in a whole separate new fediverse account, which could surprise people when they change/add this kind of acct: h-card u-url. but you're right, I should definitely document it!
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[snarfed] filed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/272
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Loqi [snarfed] #272 Document setting custom username with acct: u-url in representative h-card
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[aciccarello]1 Cool, I'd like to try it out as the username piece is the main aspect I didn't love about the bridgy-fed implementation. Thanks for taking a look
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[schmarty]1 oh wow i didn't know that was an option! snarfed++
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barnaby interesting to know that’s an option! I’m torn between using @barnaby@waterpigs.co.uk or sticking with the clumsy looking @waterpigs.co.uk@waterpigs.co.uk as a protest against @-@ IDs xD
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barnaby [snarfed]++ for making things configurable with h-entry markup
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[snarfed] singpolyma++ for implementing it
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barnaby oh cool
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[tantek]1 protest++ @@--
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[tantek]1 yesssss
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[tantek]1 barnaby, the more people implement @domain@domain, the more pressure there will be to just allow "@domain" to work for identity resolution
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[snarfed] one catch is that @username with single @ is generally the shortcut for local users on your same instance. I wonder how many Mastodon users currently have .s in their usernames
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barnaby are dots allowed in usernames at all?
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[snarfed] yup, https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/6844
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[snarfed] (couldn't find in docs)
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Loqi [Gargron] #6844 Permit dots in usernames with conditions
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barnaby oh that’s unfortunate
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[snarfed] eh, AP implementations could look for a local user first, then fall back to domain if there's no local user
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[snarfed] mildly ambiguous, but maybe solvable with UX
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barnaby yep, was about to suggest something similar
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barnaby with webmentions, you don’t even need the @, just linking to the domain is a mention already. @ is nice microsyntax but perhaps it’s only necessary for non-URL-like identities
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aaronpk frankly i think seeing the @-username in the post text is ugly
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[snarfed] you'd prefer display name?
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aaronpk none
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aaronpk it's a legacy hack because twitter didn't support the concept of replies, and people started including the @-username in tweets to reply to people
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aaronpk even twitter switched away from including it in the post text finally
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[snarfed] oh sure, I was thinking more broadly: mentions, search, etc, not just replies
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aaronpk ah
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