#dev 2022-11-13

2022-11-13 UTC
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Zegnat [snarfed]: I think [KevinMarks]1’s https://mention.tech/ was built to receive mentions for anyone. That might be the better target than wm.io? Though maybe double check with Kevin :D
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[KevinMarks] It does that and passes them through to any webmention endpoint it finds, yes. Though it is stuck in yak shaving land to get it off old Python and AppEngine versions
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[KevinMarks] It does that and passes them through to any webmention endpoint it finds, yes. Though it is stuck in yak shaving land to get it off old Python and AppEngine versions
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[KevinMarks] It does that and passes them through to any webmention endpoint it finds, yes. Though it is stuck in yak shaving land to get it off old Python and AppEngine versions
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aaronpk uhoh
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[KevinMarks] It does that and passes them through to any webmention endpoint it finds, yes. Though it is stuck in yak shaving land to get it off old Python and AppEngine versions
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[tantek] yakshaving--
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Loqi yakshaving has -1 karma over the last year
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IWDiscordRelay <L​unarequest#0122> Does one have to implement web sign in for the indieweb? I don't even have regular sign in setup
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[tantek] <L​unarequest#0122> depends! What user-level functionality are you trying to implement on your personal site?
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IWDiscordRelay <L​unarequest#0122> Well right now just reading the blog
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IWDiscordRelay <L​unarequest#0122> Comments are handled by disquis
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IWDiscordRelay <L​unarequest#0122> And there's no real way to register users and stuff
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aaronpk hmm i am apparently not handling incoming activitypub mentions well
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aaronpk at all in fact
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[tantek] I'm more curious about favorites and boosts
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aaronpk that part i have working fine. i just discovered a conversation thread i was tagged in by looking at my main inbox feed which is full of all sorts of things
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aaronpk i'm realizing i'm also not properly filtering *out* replies to posts from people i follow, which is getting pretty noisy having that in my main feed
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aaronpk the more volume i'm seeing the more i'm realizing it was a big mistake trying to treat activitypub as a way to sync the state of an entire segment of a network in real time
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slyduda snarfed: if a webmention to webmention io passed from bridgy were to not correctly encode a newer emoji would that be resulting from bridgy's end or webmention.io's end do you think?
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slyduda guessing i could probably test this in web-utils :thinking:
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[jacky] saw a mention of something similar to channels in microsub https://vancity.social/notes/97ierpy44r
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[jacky] err
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Loqi [Chris Trottier] A really cool feature that vancity.social has, not common on the rest of the Fediverse, is support for Channels. This is important for regional instances because people tend to want to discuss common interests, such as favorite restaurants. Here'... https://pool.jortage.com/voringme/public_vancity/webpublic-3a01051e-cfed-4bc3-be15-83497805d642.png
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[jacky] yeah that's it
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aaronpk Nice
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aaronpk I'm already following people in different channels, it's great
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aaronpk i don't want just one timeline
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[tantek] is that just lists a la Twitter
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[snarfed] slyduda bridgy and webmention.io are both pretty good with Unicode, they've been battle tested pretty heavily
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[snarfed] What's the URL of the silo post or reply with that Unicode char?
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slyduda [snarfed]: wm-source is https://brid.gy/post/twitter/slyduda/1585073458719096832 and silo post url is https://twitter.com/sammisips/status/1585073458719096832
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@sammisips 🧠🫡 https://twitter.com/slyduda/status/1584049544198639616 (twitter.com/_/status/1585073458719096832)
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Loqi [goblin gorl] 🧠🫡
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slyduda yeah that^
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[snarfed] Thanks, will look
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slyduda np! let me know if i casn help
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aaronpk Yes lists except then it removes those tweets from the home timeline
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[snarfed] aaronpk do wm.io status pages expire?
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[snarfed] this one from 10/25 is 404ing https://webmention.io/slyduda.com/webmention/xIqhROm4xrEYzxmkXGNS
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[snarfed] slyduda that's ^ the wm.io status page for the Bridgy tweet you mentioned
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[snarfed] Bridgy log is https://brid.gy/log?start_time=1666746076&key=agdicmlkLWd5cjYLEghSZXNwb25zZSIodGFnOnR3aXR0ZXIuY29tLDIwMTM6MTU4NTA3MzQ1ODcxOTA5NjgzMgw&module=background
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aaronpk [snarfed]: yes they expire, I think 24h? The status is just cached in redis
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[snarfed] slyduda I put that tweet into the "Resend for post" box on https://brid.gy/twitter/slyduda, and it's showing up on https://slyduda.com/post/6c9255e6-832e-4632-b7a2-978f30a9046b/ now. not sure why webmention.io didn't have it before!
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t0nic Wattup Indieweb
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t0nic I'd like to embed albums I'm listening to into some posts I'm writing. When they're on bandcamp this is really easy - when they're on a more propreitary platform, this becomes tricky
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t0nic Is there any sort of widget that lets me embed an album and auto-redirect to whatever streaming service the user may use?
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t0nic Failing that, any ideas - only caveat is I have no interest in hosting these albums myself
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[snarfed] fun! looks like https://indieweb.org/scrobble has some background
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[manton] Mini rant: I think my problem with WebFinger, in addition to the ugly .well-known URLs, is that its whole premise seems like a work-around for not just using domain names for identity.
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aaronpk yup
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aaronpk by design
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[manton] Just fixing Mastodon compatibility issues, there are so many layers of APIs on top of one another. Makes implementation cumbersome.
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t0nic thanks [snarfed]!
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t0nic If anyone else is looking to do this, it appears https://odesli.co/ is a tidy solution.
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[snarfed] t0nic feel free to add that to the wiki page!
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[tantek] [manton]++ 🔔 🔔 🔔
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Loqi [manton] has 25 karma in this channel over the last year (31 in all channels)
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[tantek] [manton] first IndieWebCamp trivia: no one even mentioned WebFinger because it was completely unnecessary for any of us to do anything with or across our online identities.
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[KevinMarks] Anyone tried this? https://github.com/immers-space/activitypub-express
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Loqi [immers-space] activitypub-express: Modular ActivityPub implementation as Express JS middleware to easily add decentralization and federation to Node apps
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[KevinMarks] How not to file a bug report https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1591853644944932865
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@elonmusk Btw, I’d like to apologize for Twitter being super slow in many countries. App is doing >1000 poorly batched RPCs just to render a home timeline! (twitter.com/_/status/1591853644944932865)
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[jacky] have y'all seen this? https://infosec.exchange/@jerry/109328622684304930
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[jacky] this feels ... _bad_
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Loqi [Jerry Bell :verified:] The Epyc system is now carrying the load of Infosec.exchange. There are now 112 cpu cores (224 threads) and 1TB of RAM across 6 servers powering the site. Now I can breath.
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aaronpk omg that's... a lot
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[snarfed] No joke
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[snarfed] Sadly they're not showing the usual usage stats on https://infosec.exchange/about . I'd love to get a sense of Mastodon's activities/s per core and GB of memory
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[snarfed] I'm sure people have worked that out elsewhere
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[jacky] same
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[jacky] unless it's like a shared VPS or they just _hate_ any form of lag (which I don't think, outside of underlying code optimizations, that throwing more resources helps, lol)
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[jacky] that feels like an extreme amount of resources for a single server
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aaronpk "21K active users" tho
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aaronpk i can tell you for sure tho, looking at my logs, mastodon is *way* chattier than it needs to be
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aaronpk not to mention protocol-level changes that could improve things
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[tantek] that criticism by Elon is not wrong. the Twitter website, and their apps are horribly inefficient in terms of network usage
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[tantek] it's something we can do WAY better with indieweb solutions
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gRegor For anyone familiar with how indiewebify.me deploys, I think the Composer dependences might not have updated with the last deploy. Discussion: https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/issues/109
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Loqi [snarfed] #109 h-card validator should prefer representative h-card
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gRegor Might be that it's relying on a dev-master dependency of barnaby's mf-cleaner instead of a version number
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barnaby it’s probably been ~10 years since I last deployed indiewebify.me so I’m not up to date with where/how it’s hosted now, happy to try to debug issues (especially related to my libraries!) when we can get more info though
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gRegor I think it's App Engine based on a file in there. It's just magic from my end, merge into main -> poof :)
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gRegor So no idea if that process is running a fresh install from composer.lock
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barnaby do we get logs from the installation process? if it’s installing based on composer.lock then it should be exactly the same as a dev install
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gRegor aaronpk might have access to that
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barnaby or at least there shouldn’t be any dependency resolution issues
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gRegor what is indiewebify.me
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Loqi Indiewebify.me is a service that checks how indieweb-compatible your site is and reports back its results; the verb indiewebify also means the act of making your site more IndieWeb friendly https://indieweb.org/Indiewebify.me
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aaronpk Is the .lock checked in?
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aaronpk i think it's running on the Linode now, not google
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barnaby yep, checked in, last updated 5 months ago https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/
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barnaby only thing I can think of which could cause a version mismatch when installing from a composer.lock is having a different version of PHP installed
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gRegor app.yaml shows php55, if that config is still used?
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barnaby 5.5? o.o oh dear, I really need to show indiewebify.me some love soon
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gRegor pretty sure my dev site is 7.4 so probably safe to update (knock on wood)
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gRegor Heading out for the evening, will check in tomorrow
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barnaby okay yeah that’s a big improvement, and might end up fixing the installation issue too
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aaronpk We should probably delete the google stuff from it if it's not running there anymore to avoid confusion
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barnaby sgtm
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aaronpk it's probably running on 7.4 on the Linode now
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Loqi totally
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barnaby ah okay
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gRegor Yeah, and document any deploy stuff that's helpful
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aaronpk Yeah confirmed it's on Linode
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aaronpk the deploy process does run composer install
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aaronpk but I can check in a little bit to see if there was an error
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