#dev 2022-11-18

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@miklb ↩️ That’s what webmentions could solve (twitter.com/_/status/1593395913166389250)
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[aciccarello] So is the OP on that tweet thread doing his own implementation of bridgy but for his mastodon posts?
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[timothy_chambe] ↩️ No i did not, will go look.
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@MikeWMerritt For those using the #ActivityPub plugin on their #WordPress blogs for #webmention: Replies from Mastodon are coming in with the correct link but as "Anonymous" for a name. I can't seem to find a solution. Any suggestions? I have both AP and webmention plugins installed. (twitter.com/_/status/1593412123123716098)
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barnaby ugh and trying to do some browser console stuff to extract anything useful from the twitter follow list page is an exercise in futility due to their bizarre CSS and markup
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[snarfed] barnaby in case it helps: https://github.com/snarfed/granary/blob/main/granary/twitter.py#L408-L423
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barnaby [snarfed]: thanks, my tweetdeck js hacking managed to get me >3000 like URLs before tweetdeck refused to load anything else
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barnaby that’s about half of my entire like count, so if that’s all I can get, I’m okay with that
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barnaby in the increasingly unlikely event that my archive ever shows up, I’ll fill the rest from that
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[aciccarello] Saphire, google recognizes a rating meta tag for adult content https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/special-tags
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Saphire Oh huh
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[aciccarello] There's more info on SafeSearch https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/safesearch
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Saphire Hmm
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Saphire Sad it isn't used by discord and all then
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@KalofXeno Been thinking about going back to Blogger or WordPress. Maybe the future could be websockets and webmentions ala IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/1593447583141179393)
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barnaby [snarfed]: is 1s a reasonable sleep time between granary.io requests? I’ll be making ~3000 of them, and happy to spread it out over however long is suitable
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[snarfed] Nah hammer it, it scales
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barnaby great, thanks!
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barnaby downloading photos and videos in between granary requests will slow it down somewhat too
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aaronpk Websockets heh
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@CodingPotions ↩️ Si quieres algo sencillo para crear contenido corto como en Twitter tienes https://micro.blog/ y seguro que más alternativas. Aunque tengas un blog normalito puedes interactuar con otros con medio de las webmentions https://indieweb.org/Webmention (twitter.com/_/status/1593487483198652416)
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@samuelgoto ↩️ If you put a rel="me" attribute in your links you can make that machine readable, which should help with things like indieauth (small win, but also small price). e.g. <a rel="me" href="https://mastodon.social/@erynofwales">@erynofwales</a> e.g. view-source:https://code.sgo.to/ (twitter.com/_/status/1593494995478097922)
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@samuelgoto @aaronpk speaking of indieauth, something that i mentioned to @DickHardt over IIW was that I really really really want to make my handle be @sgo.to. Can't we come up with some form of convention that when you run into a @domain.example we do the indieauth thingy? (twitter.com/_/status/1593495775467577345)
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@jackysee 介紹番 #IndieWeb 有個POSSE的概念，就是貼在自己網站，然後發到其他點上。我的是用wordpress通知http://brid.gy然後共發到twitter和mastodon上。Setup難度中等 https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/1593514750473707523)
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@schneyra Dieser Tage entdeckte ich ein neues CSS-Property was mich ein bisschen glücklich mache. Darüber schrub ich einen Blog-Eintrag und jetzt gucken wir mal, ob die neuen Webmentions da auch ankommen. https://martinschneider.me/articles/multi-line-padded-text-and-box-decoration-break/ (twitter.com/_/status/1593518657812193281)
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[jamietanna] Woop [snarfed] https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/pull/292 is ready for a review 🚀
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> What is the #:~:text on URLs I'm seeing?
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[KevinMarks] thats Google's fragmention equivalent - #:~:text=text%20to%20search and it highlights the text. see https://highlightpoetry.com/ for abuse of it
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Loqi [Kevin Marks] Highlight Poetry
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aaronpk I wonder if I should file an issue on mastodon to support plain domain user IDs...
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aaronpk the ActivityPub spec doesn't require @user@domain
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sknebel "support" where?
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sknebel in mentions and such in posts?
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aaronpk Yeah and federation
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sknebel ah, because it requires webfinger to exist, right
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[manton] [aaronpk] If you file an issue, link it here and I’ll add a 👍 and comment too.
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[manton] Although I think Mastodon isn’t likely to change their usernames now.
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aaronpk it would have to support both
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[snarfed] AP doesn't define or mention @-@ syntax at all, right? It was carried over from OStatus/WebFinger?
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aaronpk but i suspect single-user instances of mastodon and others are going to become a lot more popular now compared to when mastodon was originally starting
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aaronpk correct, ActivityPub is based on only URLs
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aaronpk even the examples in the spec use root-level domains as actors https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#actor-objects
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barnaby stuff like this is why I tend to use the term “mastodon-flavoured activitypub”
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[manton] By the way, does anyone know how to set a post in ActivityPub to be un-boostable? I’ve heard this is possible but can’t find any documentation for it.
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aaronpk documentation heh
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aaronpk i think that's called read the mastodon source code
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[manton] Aeeiii.
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aaronpk huh can't find it
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[manton] Yeah, I just searched for “Announce” and there’s a lot there to unravel…
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[manton] Maybe I misunderstood and toots (ugh) can’t be un-boostable, but it’s something with the visibility/privacy.
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sknebel followers-only cant be boosted
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[manton] Okay, I guess I misunderstood the Mastodon functionality then, e.g. setting any public post to not be boosted.
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sknebel I dont think thats possible
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[manton] Cool, thank you.
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sknebel from the UI at least - not sure if you could create such a post
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[manton] Okay… Yeah, I don’t care about from the UI because I have my own UI. 🙂
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sknebel (i.e. if its just convention that "audience != everyone -> no boost" or if it explicitly signals that somewhere in AP and just sets that by default on such posts
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[KevinMarks] there's unlisted - not sure if they're boostable
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sknebel they are
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sknebel is gotosocial strictly single-userß
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> I have no idea
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> actually, I don't think so from what I understand of it
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> but I know it's meant for "small servers"
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[jacky] Just added https://indieweb.org/Sele#Protecting_Feeds to kind of expand on what I want Lighthouse to do with TicketAuth
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[jacky] in order to get _there_, I gotta finish some stuff with Sele and then I can make some mocked examples in Lighthouse
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[jacky] The hope is that as people "follow" people on their own site, that slowly builds a passive ACL of people to send tokens too. The only thing that's tricky that'd be the "last" thing I need is to have a way to build a 'list' of people to post to. I think I have an idea for it but it's a bit janky
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[tantek] aciccarello TIL re: Google's meta-rating content-adult
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[tantek] Saphire, barnaby, following re: xrate etc., the fundamental problem is, all such ratings are country & culture specific. There is no global way to evaluate such things, so there is no way a "standard" could claim to represent whether something is e.g. NSFW or not. But apparently Google decided a binary flag was good enough for them for some sort of global "average"
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Saphire nodnod
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Saphire Yeah, was "hmm" on that one too
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[tantek] My guess is they are able to do that only because they *also* have tons of algorithms doing semantic analysis and image/video analysis to determine whether something is "adult" or not or "safe" or not
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[tantek] such that adding in an opt-in adult flag doesn't harm their results, and if they already have decent algorithmic results, such opt-ins may marginally help them not have to write more code
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[tantek] there is a similar problem of Apple having to apply a global "safe" filter to the content / features of iOS apps in their app store
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[tantek] unfortunately what maybe happening is erring on the side of social conservatism, and in particular since both companies are US-based, US-notions of social conservatism, which, if anyone has watched the news in the past say 5 years or so, is kinda going poorly
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[tantek] and then applying that to the rest of the world. it's a weird form of cultural export / borderline imperialism because say, folks in Europe presumably don't see any *more* content than folks in the US. in some cases, due to local regulations, they may see less of some kinds
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[tantek] and speaking of which, there are different laws in different countries about this kind of stuff, so just wait til every admin of a popular Mastodon instance finds out when they get randos posting all sorts of "interesting" content
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[tantek] I figure [manton] already has an upfront strategy for this challenge/problem
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sknebel not so much a "just wait" than a "happened years ago"
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sknebel (specifically about different standards for what's legal in japan vs most of the west)
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sknebel or at least that was one of the major cases where the "different laws" came to bear
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[aciccarello] Social standards for what's inappropriate vary so widely I don't know how you'd encode that in a global rating system. I imagine it is possible if an organization had enough of an interest but seems unlikely.
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[manton] We’re still small enough that most of what we do is manual. Hiding posts, marking specific photos as inappropriate, etc.
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gRegor 640 ratings should be enough for anybody
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[aciccarello] What are 640 ratings?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "640 ratings" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "640 ratings is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor haha, joke about the apocryphal quote "640k of memory should be enough for anybody"
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[aciccarello] [insert joke over head meme here]
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[aciccarello] Has anyone used https://render.com/ ? I was thinking about fly.io for hosting my micropub endpoint but they seem like a good option too
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sknebel not used it personally, but seen positive things about it
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gRegor Armando uses it https://indieweb.org/web_hosting#IndieWeb_static_hosting_users
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[aciccarello] Oh, I hadn't seen that page. Thanks
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[aciccarello] Do any browser extensions indicate which sites support webmentions? Seems like something a micropub client extension might do.
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[aciccarello] Could be a feature to add to omnibear
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aaronpk oops well this needs to get removed i guess 😬 https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/microformats/
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[tantek] other way around, file a bug saying there's been a regression in 4.0 per the docs and it should be fixed
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aaronpk heh
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[snarfed] :trollface:
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[KevinMarks] So, the cross site follow problem on Mastodon feels like exactly what web actions and indie config are designed to solve.
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[KevinMarks] Has anyone looked at a "follow" web action?
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[snarfed] some discussion and prior art: https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/60
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Loqi [petermolnar] #60 add a "remote follow" page
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[jacky] [KevinMarks] I'd like to even have a popup around web actions
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[jacky] Screw it, why not
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[jacky] I'll throw it on and maybe sort through some of the other ones and see if we can muster some times
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[KevinMarks] Sounds good to me
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[tantek] same same jacky, [KevinMarks]. cc: barnaby
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> I'm seeing something as well
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> instead of having topical servers (like for journalism), a remote platform that can help verify journalists could be used
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> I can see rel=me being used there
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> maybe even a precursor to /badges
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[keithjgrant] [aciccarello] The Omnibear popup window has a little webmention icon in the top right if you’re on the reply, like, bookmark, or repost screen
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[aciccarello] Oh perfect!
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[keithjgrant] oh, and if the site supports wm of course
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[keithjgrant] i seem to recall it being a little buggy at times and not always showing. If you find that, feel free to report a bug. I’m actively working on updating pretty much all the tooling and core dependencies right now
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[keithjgrant] hoping to get Mastodon interactions up and running for the next release
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IWDiscordRelay <j​acky#7226> that'd be sick (and good prior art of a form of an enhancement towards Web actions)
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[KevinMarks] https://twitter.com/blackgirlbytes/status/1593688108855447556?t=ZGgghTMZ2oSBMLyT_IHTmw&s=19
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@blackgirlbytes At 5pm ET/ 2pm PT, @film_girl and I will learn how to use GitHub Pages to federate our Mastodon identities. Imma be honest, I have no clue what most of this means, but learning will be fun. Come hang out with us. @film_girl is so entertaining ☺️ on http://twitch.tv/github https://twitter.com/blackgirlbytes/status/1593688108855447556/video/1 (twitter.com/_/status/1593688108855447556)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ Are you using http://fed.brid.gy to do this? (twitter.com/_/status/1593715741194391553)
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[tantek] [KevinMarks]++
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Loqi [KevinMarks] has 14 karma in this channel over the last year (51 in all channels)
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@lachlanjc @AtilaFassina Heads up, the code links on your @css article https://css-tricks.com/jumping-into-webmentions-with-nextjs-or-not/ are broken. Are those examples still online? (twitter.com/_/status/1593727785364848641)
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aaronpk they finally went live https://www.twitch.tv/github
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Oh wow.
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[schmarty] "Use GitHub Pages to federate your Mastodon identity" what does it meeeeaaann
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aaronpk can't wait to find ouuuutt
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aaronpk gotta follow github for 10 minutes before you can chat 😂
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[schmarty] a three-person two-hour livestream to show how to make one bidirectional profile link 😏
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[schmarty] (jkjkjk)
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aaronpk omg you're right [schmarty]
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[schmarty] 😂 😂 😂
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barnaby that was my guess too, but I wasn’t gonna say it xD
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aaronpk do I dare drop fed.brid.gy in the chat?
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aaronpk heyyyy indieweb shoutout
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aaronpk filmgirl++
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Loqi filmgirl has 1 karma over the last year
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[tantek] filmgirl++ knows about IndieWeb. [KevinMarks] & I are both pals, she’s been to XOXOfest too. aaronpk you may have even met her
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Loqi filmgirl has 2 karma over the last year
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[tantek] ash[m], like gRegor said, I suspect 960 is from Bootstrap, due to lots of divisors for different numbers of columns on a page
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ash[m] that makes sense
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ash[m] I was wondering if it was something to do with browser window sizes and common screen resolutions or something
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[Murray] it's all interlinked. 960px happens to fit nicely within a 1024px viewport (fullscreen HD) with a little spacing for browser chrome, whilst offering lots of layout possibilities (2,3,4,5,6,8, and 12 column grids), so it was a good tradeoff.
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