#dev 2022-11-25

2022-11-25 UTC
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@Mappletons Finally adding Webmentions (http://indieweb.org/Webmention) to the garden. Long overdue! Still in the janky "just get things on the page" stage of designs, but thrilled it's working Using http://brid.gy to pull in from Twitter + Mastodon (twitter.com/_/status/1596099511755096064)
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@Mappletons Finally adding Webmentions (http://indieweb.org/Webmention) to the garden. Long overdue! Still in the janky "just get things on the page" stage of designs, but thrilled it's working Using http://brid.gy to pull in from Twitter + Mastodon (twitter.com/_/status/1596099511755096064)
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phx1 trying to figure out if it's possible to use fed-bridgy to connect a blog that has two effective users/profiles in to fediverse
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@100orbits ↩️ No, I was including http://brid.gy in that - it's what I used before. But it was always just a circle of IndieWebbers talking about IndieWeb all the time. Specific to webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/1596141554896621568)
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@100orbits ↩️ No, I was including http://brid.gy in that - it's what I used before. But it was always just a circle of IndieWebbers talking about IndieWeb all the time. Specific to webmentions. (twitter.com/_/status/1596141554896621568)
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@100orbits ↩️ @Mappletons would be interested to see if you ever get any significant portion of webmentions from *outside* the In… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1596131260367130624 (twitter.com/_/status/1596131260367130624)
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[snarfed] phx1 Bridgy Fed doesn't currently support multiple fediverse accounts per domain, sorry
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GWG I have a problem I need some advice on
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> How can we help GWG?
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GWG I have code that loads an svg icon from an icon set, and loads the css for all of the colors
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GWG However, without me doing anything..the icon set has ballooned to 2400 icons
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GWG Someone commented about me loading an 113kb CSS file
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[snarfed] big for CSS, but small ish for images. if file size is the only complaint, doesn't seem to bad
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GWG Wondering if there is a way to intelligently generate it
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sknebel does the upstream maybe already rprovide a way to select a subset of icons?
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GWG sknebel: Not really.. but I could provide a limited set
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[snarfed] Doesn't seem like a priority to me, but up to you all
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GWG I think about many things that I don't do
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[manton] Dunno if this is really documented anywhere, but it’s IndieWeb-related… Found it interesting that Mastodon chooses whether to show a web site preview for inline links based on whether they include class `u-url mention` , to avoid showing a preview for mentioned usernames.
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sknebel huh
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sknebel I guess that makes some sense
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sknebel but interesting that they identify mentions that wa
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sknebel y
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sknebel does anyone here have any good reading on browser layouting performance?
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sknebel (i.e. making pages efficient in that regard)
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capjamesg web.dev has a lot of great performance resources sknebel but that is a generic recommendation for anything performance related.
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capjamesg I'm not sure I understand what you mean by layouting performance.
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[snarfed] Sounds like specifically browser cpu/latency of rendering different markup/css
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[snarfed] sknebel I expect it's usually negligible compared to network, JS, etc unless you have something really complex or unusual
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[snarfed] [tantek] might know
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[tantek] sknebel, depends on what you mean by "layouting performance". There's initial layout & paint, there's scroll perf, there's resize perf etc.
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[tantek] even before that, code maintenance is worth optimizing for so you can more easily iterate to optimize for performance over time
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[tantek] I'd suggest starting here: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Learn/CSS/Building_blocks/Organizing
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sknebel I think I found a few things by now. mostly scrolling, but there is some ugly onscroll handlers that do layout depending things which is not good - more in -chat
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[tantek] sknebel, "browser layouting performance" is also going to depend a lot on *which* browsers (or rather, how many previous versions) you want to support. like if you only care about all the latest browsers, then grid+subgrid may be worth depending on. otherwise flexbox or even older, floats, etc. layout performance tips vary greatly depending on how good / precise you want things to look in "older" browsers
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[tantek] snarfed, you said "at scale" and trust and blockchain in the same line 💀
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capjamesg TOFU?
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capjamesg Web of trust?
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[tantek] what is TOFU
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TOFU" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "TOFU is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] meh
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[tantek] what is Web of Trust
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Loqi Web of trust is a decentralized way of sharing identities that you trust or distrust, with your friends or strangers https://indieweb.org/Web_of_trust
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[tantek] wow that's not helpful
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[tantek] and the dfn links to a series of conferences, not any kind of tech description 🤦
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[snarfed] [tantek] hah yes intentionally in the same sentence
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[KevinMarks] Can't we just say web of trust is XFN?
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[tantek] not really no, since any actually trusted from of XFN depends on HTTPS which depends on CAs which is a hierarchical system, in contrast to 'web of trust' which is by definition decentralized crypto trust
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[tantek] trusted *form of XFN
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[tantek] this is what happens when snarfed nerd-snipes me about "web of trust" and I go look it up to be sure it is what I think it is, update our own /Web_of_trust wiki-page accordingly, separating out some misconceptions, and end up understanding (PGP) "Web of Trust" much more than I ever intended nor really wanted to
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barnaby I vaguely remember going to a key signing event once. I don’t think it was ever useful for anything
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[tantek] feel free to add a Criticism section 😉