#dev 2022-12-08

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aaronpk projects++
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aaronpk speaking of home indieweb projects, i just made a physical button for the wall which I tap when I feed the cat. it posts to her website, and then the button turns red 24h since it was last pressed
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[jacky] see, I need that for my pups (now that there's three running around)
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aaronpk the low tech version is to buy the little pill caps that have the display and button built in
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aaronpk but what I did is more fun. esp32, button, two solder joints, 3D printed case, and home assistant
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[jacky] see I could even hook up something to send a message to my partner (because we tend to sync on who got what when and it's easy to mix up)
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[jacky] projects++
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Loqi projects has 2 karma over the last year
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@miklb Brainstorming marrying Eleventy with Datasette for webmentions and search https://github.com/miklb/michaelbishop/issues/27#issuecomment-1341866609 (twitter.com/_/status/1600674046886264833)
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benatkin aaronpk: I'd like to self-host a currently known as indieauth.com server that can only be used to login to my own site, and that only supports GitHub, and add GitLab – and then post about it. Do you think I could go about it in a way that helps with your goal of getting people migrating indieauth.com? I'd be using the server, not the service. It seems it will be easy to run with docker and a database server that's shared with other docker
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benatkin containers.
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benatkin I hear it's behind the spec so I would have to update it. I could start a new project I guess. Ruby is one of the languages I'm most comfortable with.
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benatkin The multitenant isn't an issue - I would have a strict allowlist - anyone could sign in but only sign into my sites.
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benatkin Another path is just to start a new HTTP server codebase with a database for storing tokens that does similar things.
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benatkin Why I want it to be like indieauth.com, the open source project:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4ac963103a80301f2375bfcd7d94283495a45b98>)
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benatkin I just saw it uses Redis and doesn't appear to use SQL anymore. Nice.
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gRegor Speaking of, https://tokens.indieauth.com/ should probably have the deprecation notice too
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benatkin hmm, yeah
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benatkin I see that's on github too.
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benatkin I might just study the code and implement something similar in node - or not...I dunno.
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sknebel o.O https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/2668#issuecomment-1342518861
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Loqi [preview] [zemlanin] > As an aside, I actually think WebFinger should be made easier for static hosting @nileshtrivedi You can achieve this now, by serving `/.well-known/host-meta.xml` with something like this: ```xml <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <XRD x...
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[jacky] hmm
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[jacky] noticing that that snippet includes a XML namespace from https://www.oasis-open.org/
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[jacky] never heard of them before
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[jacky] nee https://docs.oasis-open.org/ns/xri/xrd-1.0
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[jacky] https://docs.oasis-open.org/xri/xrd/v1.0/xrd-1.0.html namely
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aaronpk benatkin: I would recommend starting from scratch, the code base is very old and uses some libraries that aren't maintained anymore
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jamietanna Does anyone know what happens if I syndicate all my replies to bridgy-fed? Will it selectively send if it knows the receipient is a Federated place, or will I risk there being replies to something on Twitter/somene's site appear?
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[snarfed]2 jamietanna it ignores anything non-fediverse
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[snarfed]2 so feel free
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jamietanna Sweet, thanks!
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[snarfed]2 mastodon.technology has steadily sent .75qps of Delete activities to BF for the last week straight. that's >450k activities total so far. sheesh
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[tw2113_Slack_] i think that’s one that was closing down, correct?
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[snarfed]2 yup
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aaronpk are they sending out deletes for every post or something?
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[snarfed]2 oh interesting, maybe. https://mastodon.technology/about/more says they have 10k users and 1.3M posts
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[snarfed]2 it's evidently all user deletes, all to individual inboxes, not the shared inbox, hence the 45x multiplier. 😠
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aaronpk oh funny
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[snarfed]2 BF is petty and spiteful and only honors Deletes sent to shared inbox, not individual inboxes
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[tantek] nice
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[tantek] snarfed I hope you don't mind me shortening Bridgy Publish to BridgyPub similar to BridgyFed (and of course parallel to ActivityPub, Micropub)
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[snarfed]2 I foresee at least a couple different kinds of confusion, but yolo 😎
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[schmarty] I shall henceforth refer to it as "The petty and spiteful Bridgy Fed" 😂
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[snarfed]2 wfm
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[tantek] Postel: "be liberal in what you accept from others"
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[tantek] Bridgy Fed: "be picky in what deletes you accept from others"
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[snarfed]2 lol. it's worse though, it accepts them and silently drops them on the floor
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[snarfed]2 but hell, there's also https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy-fed/issues/315 . and Bridgy caching webmention endpoints. and others. I am admittedly a bad spec implementor.
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Loqi [preview] [snarfed] #315 Actually verify incoming signatures 🤪
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M0x3b0b[m] [snarfed]2: (mental image of a nondescript uniformed individual labeled as Bridgy Fed politely taking a parcel from someone and then tossing it nonchalantly over one shoulder)
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[tantek] more like when you're handed a flyer by a rando on the street, accept with a nod so as to avoid conversation then toss it in the next bin you walk by
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[snarfed]2 😁
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aaronpk 😂
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[chrisaldrich] Not sure if it's a broader change/fix, but last night I deleted the Brid.gy authorization from my mastodon.social account and managed to relink my site to mastodon.social for backfeed and publishing via webmention. Hopefully it sticks?
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[snarfed]2 nice! yeah that's a known workaround
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[chrisaldrich] I had tried it a few times after 12/8 when backfeed died for me, but it hadn't worked for me until last night for some reason.
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[jamietanna] Should BF handle updates on a re-webmentioned post? Seeing https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2022/12/fawgk/ still syndicated as https://inane.chat/@www.jvt.me@www.jvt.me/109479125609932843 which was originally the fault of my post itself having broken emoji
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Loqi [preview] [Jamie Tanna] 🛬
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[jamietanna] Or https://inane.chat/@alectronic/109478870270420278 and then check replies
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Loqi [preview] [Alec Doran-Twyford] Hello Mastodon? or is it inane chat?
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[aciccarello] I wondered the same
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M0x3b0b[m] <Loqi> "[preview] [Alec Doran-Twyford..." <- nowhere have I gotten the impression something can't be Mastodon and inane chat at the same time...
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M0x3b0b[m] ...oh, right, the instance
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[jamietanna] I'm sure I had seen it mentioned that it was supported, so if so, could it be BF doesn't handle emoji?
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gRegor Yeah, it sends updates. The log appears to show emojis in the request, maybe Mastodon dropped it? https://fed.brid.gy/log?start_time=1670521974&key=https://www.jvt.me/mf2/2022/12/fawgk/%20https://inane.chat/@alectronic/109478870270420278&module=
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[snarfed]2 thanks gRegor! agreed, BF sends updates and should handle emoji fine
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[snarfed]2 that log shows the Update activity it sent to inane.chat
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btrem [jacky] re https://www.oasis-open.org/ have you never seen the "not the sgml faq" before? Enjoy! https://xml.coverpages.org/sgmlFAQ-NOT-19990401.html
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btrem (not the best version; it's missing a couple of sections that are hilarious)
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btrem ack! I just found the original url flightlab.com/~joe.... It returns 404. What a shame!
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[jacky] I have not! omg
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[jacky] "If you've ever tried to get more than four SGML experts to agree on the answer to _any_ question, you'd understand. The only thing that every expert agrees on is that Robin Cover's web site is the best source of SGML information available anywhere; that in itself is pretty amazing." => HA, where's the XKCD?
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btrem The original version had a couple of additional entries. The one about which browser support for dtds was priceless.
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btrem Also a crack about diff. Something like: Q: "I read the faq last year. Can you tell me what changed?" A: "No. Run diff and see for yourself."
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[jacky] omg see that's evil
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btrem Don't know who Joe English (is|was), but that not faq is just absolutely genius.
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btrem The dtd joke was something like this (going from memory): Q: "Which dtd does Netscape Navigator use?" A: "This has the editor stumped. I can't think of an answer that's funnier than the question."
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[jacky] lol I am curious but that's def part of the joke
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btrem Curious? About what?
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[jacky] if netscape even did do parsing of DTDs
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btrem No, hence the answer.
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btrem No browser has to my knowledge ever bothered with DTDs. Which is why people started referring to tag soup.
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[jacky] HA
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btrem It's why we got the notorious xhtml appendix c. If browsers took SGML seriously, appendix c would not have worked. (Appendix c was the part where they advised authors to use self-closing xhtml tags on empty elements, e.g., <br />. The idea was that browsers parsing the document as HTML would ignore the solidus, violating SGML shorttag notation.)
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@jpcaruana I wrote a little #elixir program, called LastCrusader: https://github.com/jpcaruana/last_crusader. Not a 100% static solution, but a fun experiment.commits to Github from micropub endpointlistens for pusblishsends webmentions to targets (and update links when appropriate)… https://jp.caruana.fr/notes/2022/12/08/i-wrote-a-little-elixir-program/ (twitter.com/_/status/1600930344080969732)
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[jamietanna] Thanks gRegor and snarfed! Didn't spot that
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[jacky] came across http://files.de.adversary.org/crypto/ac/index.html
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[snarfed]2 oh god please no
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[jacky] haha
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btrem Re: the python microformats parser website PR. It's 2 1/2 months old, and has been approved AIUI. Is there anyone here who can merge it into main?
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[snarfed]2 btrem probably anyone in the microformats org! https://github.com/orgs/microformats/people
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[snarfed]2 maybe we should ask one of the owners there to add you
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[tantek] snarfed, ironically my publishing UI also sends webmentions synchronously 😬 so my curl of the BridgyFed webmention may be taking so long that Apache/PHP decides to timeout on the response and return an error to my publishing UI, and now I understand why 😂
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btrem I guess the question is who knows python well enough to merge it? Or is the one approval enough?
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[tantek] larger question is, does merging it auto-deploy?
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btrem The README says yes: "All commits to the master branch get auto-deployed to the live website (running on Heroku)"
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btrem correction of earlier comment made at 11:08:15 AM: s/empty/void/
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benatkin <aaronpk> "batkin: I would recommend..." <- got it, I was leaning towards that. basically a minimal SSO that combines what I could do w/ tokens.indieauth.com and indieauth.com
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[jamietanna] Is it still on Heroku? Did we not need to do anything for the end of the free tier, or were we already paying for it?
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aaronpk we have been paying for them
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[snarfed]2 I reviewed https://github.com/microformats/microformats-parser-website-python/pull/5, looks fine, I'm happy to merge if everyone's ready
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Loqi [preview] [capjamesg] #5 Enable experimental alt text attribute, bump versions, add new debug mode for local coding
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[snarfed]2 I'm not familiar with the deploy/devops setup for it though, so hopefully someone else would be available to firefight/revert if necessary
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[KevinMarks] LGTM - is this affected by the heroku/github integration changes though?
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[snarfed]2 ?
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sknebel integration changes?
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sknebel if deploy doesnt work we'll notice :P
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[snarfed]2 yeah I'm merging. worst case, I can revert
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sknebel (also reminds me that I really need to find a day or so to spend on mf2py, go through issues and PRs there and figure out how to make a release)
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[KevinMarks] heroku messed up storing github credentials and got their access removed iirc
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[snarfed]2 oof
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[snarfed]2 anyone know who owns the python.microformats.io app? if it was someone (or the microformats org) via their github account, then yeah that's maybe a problem
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aaronpk it's in the indieweb org
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aaronpk looks like it needs to be upgraded to a new stack too
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aaronpk i'll click the button now so the next deploy works
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[snarfed]2 capjamesg now that I've merged, I just noticed, did you mean to downgrade mf2py in that PR? https://github.com/microformats/microformats-parser-website-python/pull/5/files#diff-4d7c51b1efe9043e44439a949dfd92e5827321b34082903477fd04876edb7552R12
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aaronpk oh it's not connected to github anymore
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[snarfed]2 yeah as [KevinMarks] said ^ 😐
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[KevinMarks] so, is it simple enough to connect to netlify instead, or do we need a manual heroku deploy?
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aaronpk i can reconnect it to heroku, one sec
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aaronpk i have no idea what it takes to run on netlify, nor do we have an indieweb account there yet, so let's not change everything
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aaronpk ok here it goes
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aaronpk it's deployed
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[KevinMarks] seems to work
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aaronpk https://github.com/microformats/microformats-parser-website-python/pull/8
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Loqi [preview] [aaronpk] #8 update links on home page
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aaronpk should deploy automatically from now on
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[tantek] those updates to the python mf2 parser website sound significant enough to count for the Gift Calendar — even "just" the alt text handling
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[tantek] having those kinds of (updated) tools that allow people to try a library before they download helps a lot
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[tantek] except I just tried https://python.microformats.io/ on a post of mine with alt text and it didn't show in in the results
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[KevinMarks] merging that deployed, so that's good
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aaronpk the parser version just got downgraded for some reason. it was 1.1.2 before
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[tantek] oh dear
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[tantek] 😬
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aaronpk well auto deploys are set up again so feel free to fix it
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[snarfed]2 right, I asked capjamesg about that a min ago ^
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[snarfed]2 I'll fix now
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[snarfed]2 done
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[snarfed]2 aaronpk how can I see the app in heroku?
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aaronpk i can add you to it
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[snarfed]2 thx
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[tantek] snarfed, what's "done"? did python.microformats.io get reverted?
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aaronpk it's showing 1.1.2 now so that's good
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[snarfed]2 yeah, "done" was upgrading mf2py back to 1.1.2
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[snarfed]2 capjamesg just fyi I don't see the new img alt output though, eg https://python.microformats.io/?url=https://snarfed.org/2022-12-06_48532
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Loqi [preview] [Ryan Barrett] Meanwhile, in Emacs… https://snarfed.org/w/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/emacs-ping-kingdom-belgium.png
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[tantek] I don't see the new img alt output either
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[snarfed]2 aaronpk could you add heroku@ryanb.org instead? sorry for the runaround
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sknebel ryan borg? ;)
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aaronpk :+1:
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[snarfed]2 got it, thx
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I didn't mean to downgrade. Strange.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [snarfed] Are you passing the alt text flag?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Oh, you mean from the website/
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[snarfed]2 right
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Oh no...
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[snarfed]2 yeah looks like the downgrade was accidental, in https://github.com/microformats/microformats-parser-website-python/commit/2e849f3eb68e2fdbfcff305be040f8748f17dbb4
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I don't think it was upon further reflection.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> I'll review this.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> Is the site deployed?
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[snarfed]2 yes. and we already bumped mf2py 1.1.2, so the lack of img alt is the only remaining question
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[tantek] doesn't seem like the flag is working?
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sknebel ... looking at the PR, I dont see the PR using the flag?
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sknebel ok I see what happened, thats not how it works
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sknebel fix: https://github.com/microformats/microformats-parser-website-python/pull/10
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Loqi [preview] [sknebel] #10 acually enable img_with_alt flag
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[snarfed]2 thanks! lgtm, merging
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aaronpk and this is why we make PRs with specific focused changes instead of a whole bunch of things at once!
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[snarfed]2 yup
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[snarfed]2 alt works now! https://python.microformats.io/?url=https://snarfed.org/2022-12-06_48532
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Loqi [preview] [Ryan Barrett] Meanwhile, in Emacs…
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[KevinMarks] I love the last frame of this https://mastodon.social/@b0rk/109480119191481544
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Loqi [preview] [Julia Evans] a debugging manifesto https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/109/480/117/130/803/280/original/6bddca5292451fde.png
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