#dev 2022-12-10
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IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> This is good to know and worth adding to the README tbh
# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> Imma do this for the Rust project first tbh
# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> Before I suggest anything elsewhere
# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> The more I think about non technical users to the indie Web, the more things like /sidefiles come to mind when wanting to advertise alternative sources of content for folks
# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> Like it's easier to give them some HTML (if they grok that) or a plugin for their platform to point to something more reasonable for interop than retrofitting their entire site to be more indie Web friendly
# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> Hmm that's fair. I'm thinking then about someone specifically who has their own site but doesn't know anything beyond their editing interface that hides a lot of the plumbing for them (could be WordPress but also even something like Ghost or Tumblr)
# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> Hmm yeah, I can see some sort of bridging service giving Tumblr users that capability (Micropub to Tumblr, if you may)
# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> Exactly! Like I really think this isn't something too bad/taboo to explore, if anything, it'd be an amazing onboarding opportunity (but it comes with a support and maintainer burden for sure)
# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> Yeah hmm, I can see the bridge taking advantage of the internal repo of Tumblr's content to make it friendly. It's also not too foreign from what we have with bridging tho
# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> Who would be a good person to ask about that? I could see a recrawl of indiemap maybe being useful but I feel like this leaks outside of that
# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> Ask re: deployment of jsonfeed?
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# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> Yeah like humans.txt are manual IIRC whereas people can and do generate sidefiles both for consumption for clients (this is subjective but I'm more likely to find a HTTP client with in-built support for parsing JSON than HTML, that latter would have been great for the mf parser heh)
# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> *both for consumption and out of conventional support from frameworks
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# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> I'm inclined to lean on the sidefiles that rely on rel=alternate + rel=canonical
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# IWDiscordRelay <jacky#7226> Indeed, a MVP of an AP server. Might be enough for me to hack support for my site
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# prologic Heya 👋 What's news?
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# [snarfed]2 hi prologic! lots of fediverse around here recently
# prologic oh yay 🤦♂️
# prologic haha 😅
# prologic whoop ti to da 🤣
# prologic Twtxt is the only non-social social you need 🤣
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[jeremycherfas] Anyone here have any experience using the Python module staticmaps https://github.com/flopp/py-staticmaps
# [jeremycherfas] I’m trying to add different segments to a line on a map, each segment a different colour. The segments are indicated by start and end markers, but the whole line is a single colour, as if it is applying the colour to the whole line. And when I break down and try to plot just one segment, I end up with the whole line of all segments. Clearly I am not zeroing things properly.
# [jeremycherfas] Hard to know how to troubleshoot.
# [jeremycherfas] Currently adding each segment with `context.add_object(staticmaps.Line ...` in a loop; maybe I need to add each segment sequentially, keeping the identity of the line for each segment separate.
# [jeremycherfas] The examples include adding multiple Marker objects, so I ought to be able to add multiple Line objects, I would have thought.
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@bentasker New #Blog: Adding #WebMentions support to my @GetNikola #SSG based #website
I was reading someone else's blogpost the other day, and it set me thinking about how I should at least *send* webmentions to sites that I link to/quote.
https://www.bentasker.co.uk/posts/blog/software-development/adding-webmention-support-to-nikola.html (twitter.com/_/status/1601628775753478144)
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# [snarfed]2 also number of files is an entertaining metric but not the most meaningful one. if you're managing files on your server, you're already pretty technically capable, and fewer or more files doesn't really make managing your site easier or harder
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M0x3b0b[m] It looks like what he's done is basically a next step along from the trick of making a fediverse handle at your own domain be a pointer to your actual account (https://blog.maartenballiauw.be/post/2022/11/05/mastodon-own-donain-without-hosting-server.html), to where he's given up most of the actual ability to *interact* in exchange for not having a real account somewhere, and for his next step he's planning to implement some of the
# M0x3b0b[m] Also, just on the subject of the number of files thing, he does point out - if I followed correctly - that if you don't care about appearances you only need two, and if you don't mind having to use the direct user address instead of the `@user@domain.tld` you only need one (for what he's done so far, anyway).
# M0x3b0b[m] ability to interact. I do wonder how far he'll take it.
# [snarfed]2 right. using a URL instead of an @-@ address is surprising unexpected fediverse UX though, so the second file for webfinger to enable @-@ is probably worth it
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[KevinMarks] I'm still grumpy about it. But I got the bitterness out in the cartoon
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Loqi [preview] [Kevin Marks] Based on a classic http://howfuckedismydatabase.com/nosql/ https://xoxo-media.sfo2.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/media_attachments/files/000/343/577/original/133f36342c4f1a64.png
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# prologic Any of you folk interested in double reatchet at all?
# prologic Or have any expertise in?
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# [snarfed]2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Ratchet_Algorithm ? probably not
# [snarfed]2 if you're thinking about encrypted messaging, we generally consider each web site/domain to be a single person, so for indieweb private/encrypted messaging, we only need encryption on the wire, ie standard TLS is fine
# prologic uggh no that's bs :)
# prologic and you know it :D
# prologic if you haven't seen already, I built a spec and tools that build an indieweb and twtxt inspired im, https://salty.im/
# prologic the idea is you setup an endpoint on your domain and server (its a bit flexible)
# prologic but forward secrecy and post compromise is important here IMO
# prologic what we have now rosks quite well, and its simple to build
# prologic but we want to explore whether we can add double ratcheting without too much extra effort/work or increasing complexity too much
# [snarfed]2 sure, if your threat model is hardcore and sophisticated enough to warrant forward secrecy, that rabbit hole can be a lot of fun! not a lot of overlap with us here though
# prologic I disagree
# prologic there is quite a lot of overlap with indieweb
# prologic I designed Salty IM to be self hosted, to be run on your own domain and in your complete control
# [snarfed]2 that's great!
# prologic unlike other "messaging protocols" we basically reuse what we already have, your domain and website
# prologic don't knock it till you've at least tried it or read the spec 🤣
# [snarfed]2 definitely wasn't knocking it
# prologic good :) just your "not a lot of overlap with us here though" and "for indieweb private/encrypted messaging, we only need encryption on the wire" comments :)
# [snarfed]2 we haven't historically focused on messaging here, primarily public posts, and occasionally private, but still posts and interaction around posts, not realtime messaging
# [snarfed]2 and yes, our security threat model here is generally more modest, hardcore threat models like yours also haven't been as much of a focus for us
# [snarfed]2 which is ok! different people/groups can have different goals. and those goals can overlap some, but not all, and that's all still ok
# [snarfed]2 but I definitely like the idea that salty is designed to be self hosted at personal domains!
# prologic okay okay I get it, and sure fair points
# prologic anyway I bring it up in case anyone is interested in helping us out, I actually tried to get some funding for this project so we could build a kick-ass mobile app for it, but got rejected (not because the proposal wasn't any good)