#dev 2023-02-10

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@feedpushr Adding client-side rendered webmentions to my blog https://dev.to/cdransf/adding-client-side-rendered-webmentions-to-my-blog-4fp4 (twitter.com/_/status/1623837968984154114)
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gRegor [tantek], bringing cassis talk here: sure I can set it as PHP 5.6+. I expect it will keep working. :)
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gRegor That's re: github issues https://github.com/tantek/cassis/issues/38 and https://github.com/tantek/cassis/issues/39
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Loqi [preview] [gRegorLove] #38 Specify minimum PHP version?
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aaronpk php 7.4 is the new php 5.6
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aaronpk aka the last one before a bunch of breaking changes that mean I will likely keep running it several years beyond its official deprecation date
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gRegor hah, yep
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gRegor No promises for < PHP 5.6 though, that's... wild XD
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[KevinMarks] Which one added the {} declaration syntax?
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[tantek] 39 makes me never want to depend on PHP unit due to its breaking upgrades needed admintax--
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Loqi admintax has -2 karma in this channel over the last year (-3 in all channels)
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gRegor Yeah, it could use phpunit 5.7, but that will cause issues running unit tests under PHP 8
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gRegor Under PHP 7.4, the phpunit 5.7 tests ran, so that's impressive
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gRegor That polyfill has worked well in my experience, just swap out some class names
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gRegor This PR is an easier one, though :) https://github.com/tantek/cassis/pull/40
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Loqi [preview] [gRegorLove] #40 Add Composer post-install script
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GWG All this PHP8 talk makes me think I need to figure out what to do with my one PHP7.4 dependent PHP application because it is holding me back
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[tantek] opt-in Mastodon search site: https://www.tootfinder.ch/
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aaronpk very curious what they use for authentication
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aaronpk "invalid mastodon domain" :(
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aaronpk mastodon only
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aaronpk maybe it's time for another push for mastodon to adopt indieauth
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aaronpk they are already 80% of the way there with the oauth implementation
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[tantek] sounds reasonable
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[tantek] every mastodon user having an IndieAuth sign-in would be an interesting growth in access to the wiki
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[tantek] might have consider instance blocking on the wiki
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[tantek] or maybe upstream in IndieLogin
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gRegor blast, missed this in the composer docs "Note: Only scripts defined in the root package's composer.json are executed. If a dependency of the root package specifies its own scripts, Composer does not execute those additional scripts."
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aaronpk 😮
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gRegor guess it makes sense, that could get messy
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gRegor Will make a note for this-week that we need to run that before deploying to PHP8
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gRegor haha looking through commit history and see "here is a bunch of code" XD
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[tantek] what's the point of URLs like https://indieweb.social/@elgg@indieweb.social/109836228470165300 ? why the dupe domain? found via #indieweb-stream
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aaronpk It's the link to the post from within that instance's reader view
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aaronpk i assume they just never wrote the code to handle the special case where the post is on the same domain as the reader
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sknebel right. the repeat of the domain is not needed, but if that url happens somehow it works
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sknebel although I'm not sure where it'd come frome
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capjamesg avtr.dev is open source: https://github.com/capjamesg/avtr.dev
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[snarfed] capjamesg looks like that repo is private?
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> 🤦‍♂️
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capjamesg Fixed [snarfed].
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capjamesg It does discovery on HTTP Link, HTML icons, h-card, Gravatar, and GitHub.
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capjamesg What else could I add :P
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[snarfed] a front page 😁
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aaronpk with a form to enter a domain name
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[snarfed] maybe an option to (or default to) redirecting to the URL, so people can use avtr.dev directly in img src= tags
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[snarfed] also the README is confused whether it's GET or POST
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[snarfed] this is cool though! congrats on the early launch!
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[snarfed] also reminds me of https://www.zachleat.com/web/indieweb-avatar/ , https://indieweb.org/webvatar , I vaguely remember [KevinMarks] doing one too a while ago?
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capjamesg I knew about Zach's one but I don't think it does h-cards / GitHub / Gravatar?
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capjamesg [snarfed] There is now a front page :)
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[schmarty] capjamesg lol i think there's an encoding issue
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[schmarty] > avtr.dev was made with â¤ï¸, ð§ and âï¸ by capjamesg
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[schmarty] +1 for direct img use w/ a redirect 😄
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[snarfed] Front page looks great otherwise!
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[snarfed] I entered tantek.com (bare domain) and it crashed
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capjamesg https://avtr.dev/?url=https://snarfed.org&re=img
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[snarfed] Maybe consider adding  https://aaronparecki.com/2018/06/03/4/url-form-field
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Loqi [preview] [Aaron Parecki] Improving the HTML type="url" Field
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capjamesg [schmarty] Would you like to guess what those emojis represent?
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[schmarty] ❤ ☕ :waffle: ?
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capjamesg Are you psychic, [schmarty]? Or perhaps well-read in malformed emojis?
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[schmarty] you have a strong brand lol
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capjamesg Like Starbucks.
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gRegor very cool, capjamesg++
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Loqi capjamesg has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (83 in all channels)
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gRegor It crashed on gregorlove.com with no scheme too, works with https://
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gRegor Might add something like this to normalize the inputed url https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth-client-php/blob/main/src/IndieAuth/Client.php#L453
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GWG Has anyone ever set up a docker container to run a second php-fpm?
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GWG Or maybe run php 7 and 8 in parallel
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[jacky] I can't see why one _couldn't_ do that (like routing it to a different socket address in nginx, for example, based on some condition)
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[jacky] But from within Docker? eh
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[jacky] LetsEncrypt << single-binary tool with no reliance on [[DNS]] https://github.com/krtab/agnos
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Loqi ok, I added "single-binary tool with no reliance on [[DNS]] https://github.com/krtab/agnos" to the "See Also" section of /Let%27s_Encrypt https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=86604&oldid=85652
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[schmarty] oh, agnos is kind of interesting
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[snarfed] that's an odd pitch. afaik certbot (LE's standard client) does optionally support DNS APIs, but it's not required or a central feature
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[schmarty] certbot only added DNS-01 support recently, though LE's API has supported it for many a while. we use DNS challenges at work for non-public sites, because we don't want to open up firewalls just to let LE poke around!
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sknebel it appears to be a client that also contains a DNS server, so you can use it to get wildcard certs (which only is possible with DNS) without a DNS provider that has a supported api or setting up a server yourself
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[snarfed] and even then, DNS-01 just the usual DNS challenge, not _API access to your DNS provider_, which I expect is used much less often
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sknebel [snarfed]: "the usual DNS challenge" is usually done with API access to create the needed records during the flow
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[snarfed] I guess "usually" depends on usage numbers that we don't have. the classic approach is just telling the user to add the records manually. I would believe 10-20% of certbot DNS-01 usage now uses DNS providers' APIs? I'd doubt 90%, but I haven't seen numbers, so I don't know. maybe?
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[snarfed] anyway. not a big deal!
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sknebel "with no reliance on DNS" is indeed an odd way of describing a way to use the DNS challenge :D
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[snarfed] 😆
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[jacky] lol
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sknebel [snarfed]: I could be wrong, but I think the records change each time? I'd hope way more than 20% of users have their cert renewal automated
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[schmarty] i don't think i'd want to use this unless i was stuck with a DNS provider that had no API (or only a wildly insecure API or whatever). it's basically like "here is your own API that you now have to maintain 🐕 "
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sknebel I use a setup kinda like that, except I run an actual DNS server that gets controlled by certbot
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sknebel (or used? I honestly dont remember if I still have that)
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[snarfed] eh those users would generally just use other challenges, eg HTTP, which I expect is more common anyway
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sknebel of users that use wildcards, obviously
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sknebel or other reasons to use DNS
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sknebel but wildcards is probably the "headline" motivating feature
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[snarfed] true!
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capjamesg My MediaWiki Sparkline Generator now has a home page: https://sparkline.jamesg.blog
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capjamesg cali-iwc now has a home page: https://archiver.jamesg.blog/
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[jacky] Do you have a project index of sorts?
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[jacky] Gotta show off your work!
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capjamesg What is an index?
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Loqi 📇 An index is an organized list of information on a personal website potentially consisting of tags/categories, articles, locations, authors or related information to make it easier to find particular content on a site https://indieweb.org/index
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[tantek] what is cali-iwc
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Loqi Cali is an IRC bot created by capjamesg that lets community members archive the Etherpad from an event page to the IndieWeb wiki https://indieweb.org/cali-iwc
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capjamesg [jacky] https://jamesg.blog/projects/
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[aciccarello] Don't tell a designer I said this, but picking a color scheme for a website is hard
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[jacky] capjamesg++
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Loqi capjamesg has 26 karma in this channel over the last year (83 in all channels)
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[jacky] dang you got a lot
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[jacky] I need to tidy mine up
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[jacky] (and actually release _something_ outside of libs)
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capjamesg I need to clean it up.
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capjamesg I need to look at other examples for inspiration.
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capjamesg What is a portfolio?
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Loqi A portfolio on the Indieweb is a professional web page (or collection thereof) targeted at paying customers/clients that often shows examples of work and projects https://indieweb.org/portfolio
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sknebel hmm
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sknebel is there a name for that, but not with professional target? :D
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capjamesg A "t". That's the word "portfolio" minus all the letters from "professional"
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[KevinMarks] A starboardfolio
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gRegor haha
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[tantek] [jacky], I think it's ok to release more libs instead of owning them 😉
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capjamesg https://screenshots.jamesg.blog/ now has a home page.
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[snarfed] you're on a roll!
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[snarfed] (minor nit, footer still says avtr.dev)
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capjamesg Fixed. Thanks [snarfed]!