#dev 2023-05-04

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shreyanjain[m] <[snarfed]> "eh, the matrix channel still..." <- + the api touchers discord is very unofficial
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[tantek] I keep reading that as "api torchers" 🔥
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shreyanjain[m] lol
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sknebel https://chaos.social/@jonty/110307532009155432
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Loqi [preview] [Jonty Wareing] It turns out you can simply serve a file from a domain to use it as your bsky handle.So this guy is now S3. All of S3. https://assets.chaos.social/media_attachments/files/110/307/527/459/839/047/original/cf1ae6754c568625.png
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aaronpk wat
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aaronpk i thought it was DNS verification
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shreyanjain[m] i wonder if this could work on a static site like gh pages
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shreyanjain[m] aaronpk: yea but as a fallback it lets you use a webfinger style json endpoint
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aaronpk omg
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aaronpk https://s3.amazonaws.com/xrpc/com.atproto.identity.resolveHandle
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shreyanjain[m] exactly
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sknebel (one reason for .well-known: hosts tend to not let you put stuff there if it's not your domain
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shreyanjain[m] this was intended so all the .bsky.social subdomains wouldn't have to use dns
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shreyanjain[m] instead they wildcard to bsky.social, which handles the resolveHandle for all of them
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[schmarty] :pinched_fingers::skin-tone-2:
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[schmarty] Perfect
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@justgottagotta twitter也能反应到webmention上？ (twitter.com/_/status/1653960091337658374)
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@geekplux_cn ↩️ 好的，距离我 blog 刚用上 Webmention 没多久，Bridgy 的 Twitter 接口就被干掉了... https://snarfed.org/2023-04-03_so-long-twitter-api-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish 无力吐槽 (twitter.com/_/status/1653961126214770689)
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LuLinks https://kmfstudiosarchives.neocities.org/latbb
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[KevinMarks] Time to pitch them on rel=me verification
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[manton] So, mastodon.social was hit by Bitcoin spammers today and it’s made me rethink my approach to DMs. Has anyone handled DMs from Mastodon in an interesting way they want to share?
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[manton] I wish every social network didn’t reinvent private messaging, but maybe I can’t fight that anymore.
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aaronpk huh I am currently just ignoring any DMs that I get sent
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aaronpk or actually, probably I am ignoring the "audience" property entirely so they might just show up as regular posts ?
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sknebel aaronpk: yes, just sent you a DM reply to a post and it shows up on your website :/
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[manton] It’s mostly controlled by whether an activity is to/cc “activitystreams#Public”.
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aaronpk wait... DM reply what does that even mean
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sknebel DMs are posts marked as "only visible to people tagged in the post"
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[manton] DMs in Mastodon are just posts that don’t target everyone/public.
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sknebel so you can go from a post to DM by replying and setting that visibility
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aaronpk that seems like a poor design choice
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[manton] The object’s `to` or `cc` field will be `https://www.w3.org/ns/activitystreams#Public` if it’s _not_ a DM.
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sknebel its quite nice IMHO, because you can privately reply to someones post
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sknebel and have private threads
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sknebel instead of having one DM conversation and linking what you are talking about
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aaronpk huh
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[manton] I personally find it confusing. Also, they aren’t encrypted so not a good replacement for iMessage, WhatsApp, etc.
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sknebel (I replied to your post with the AI-generated usb cables if you want to look at the specific example)
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aaronpk huh yeah it shows up on my website and also as a reply in my reader
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sknebel the latter is fine/good, the former not so much
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[0x3b0b] Some AP server implementations support a "local only" publishing option that prevents the post from federating, so on top of whatever visibility you set, it is only sent to your account's instance; and (on all such implementations I know of) it is also only visible to logged-in users of that instance, even if public - can't recall whether someone else can then boost it over the wall if they want, but most instances that use the feature
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[0x3b0b] seem to treat it cooperatively as a thing for internal community discussions so it might not be a big deal.
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[0x3b0b] One of the things I've been thinking of trying to add (or asking for) in microblogpub is a very similar feature, except that I would make those posts viewable by anyone. Most of my remaining motivation for that is if I ever start owning my issues I don't really feel like I need to shove them into my followers'
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[0x3b0b] ...Hello, enter key. ...Timelines.
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[0x3b0b] Now that I've finished saying that I think I've pretty much gone off on a tangent and that's less relevant to the preceding discussion than it felt at first.
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[snarfed] aaronpk https://docs.joinmastodon.org/spec/activitypub/#Mention (applies beyond just mentions), https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/#audienceTargeting
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sknebel (re wording above, I guess "private reply" is a better phrasing than calling it a DM, but in the end both are private posts)
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[snarfed] sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 23 karma in this channel over the last year (43 in all channels)
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[snarfed] in other news the Twitter API is still up and running for legacy free apps, 5 days later 🤷
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[0x3b0b] Maybe nobody who still works there knows how to turn that off
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sknebel just start unplugging cables until it stops
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aaronpk i think they tried that already
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[tantek] [snarfed] my "legacy app" was "free" and it was suspended so I expect most have also been. Anything still running is a weird, or accidental, or intentional exception
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aaronpk some of mine were missed
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[snarfed] manyu have been suspended, many haven't. eg granary still works
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[snarfed] https://twittercommunity.com/ has been tracking this. pretty haphazard, no clear pattern we've/they've determined yet
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[manton] What’s the best Bluesky preview app now? http://psky.app and bsky.link don’t seem to be working for me.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [manton] sorry! Will bring up the .link soon.
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[tantek] capjamesg ^ I'm also seeing 502 again
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[tantek] I think I may wait to incorporate auto-linking (nevermind embedding) of http://bsky.app links using bsky.link until you've got it a bit more reliably running 🙂
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[tantek] is it a traffic thing? are people sharing bsky.link links on Reddit or some other unintentional DDOS-to-links forum?
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capjamesg No. It's a validation thing.
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capjamesg Sorry about the downtime, folks.
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capjamesg You should be able to use it reliably now.
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Loqi agreed.
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capjamesg I messed up an if statement and that was skipping some of the key validation logic.
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capjamesg How do I convert raw data from an XRPC firehose to text?
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[snarfed] you'll probably have better luck on the API discord
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[snarfed] interesting, Dmitri Zagidulin said on #fediverse-devs:http://matrix.org just now that W3C SWICG is planning to start monthly calls again
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aaronpk he just posted a doodle poll to the mailing list and is volunteering to run them
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[snarfed] unrelated, aaronpk have you seen this oauth competitor/alternative? https://git.juici.ly/federated-auth-network/federated-auth-network/src/branch/main/SPEC.md
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[snarfed] I've been trying to grok the Rationale section but haven't quite managed yet
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aaronpk Oh boy
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aaronpk well their first assertion about OAuth and OpenID is wrong so I don't know how much more I want to invest in reading this
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[snarfed] ✅
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aaronpk if they had said "most OAuth deployments today require two-way participation..." instead, that would be accurate, but then wouldn't justify creating an entirely new protocol
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aaronpk both OAuth and OpenID have already been extended to avoid the need for that kind of pre-registration (IndieAuth extension of OAuth, and FastFed in OpenID Connect)
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aaronpk and there is also work being done in both groups to formalize that kind of relationship further in the core
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rubenwardy brid.gy doesn't seem to have been sending webmentions from mastodon in the last few months?
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rubenwardy looks like there's a new fed.brid.gy thing, bit confused what that is
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rubenwardy maybe I'll just use the mastodon API directly, it's the only social network I post to (other than occasionally reddit)
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rubenwardy oh that's annoying, the mastodon .json doesn't have favourites
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[snarfed] rubenwardy hmm, Bridgy Mastodon is definitely currently working for at least some users
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gRegor Bridgy Fed has two modes, connecting directly from your site or cross-posting. I'm using the direct connection and have recently got webmentions for likes and replies.
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[snarfed] what's your user page? I can look
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rubenwardy no idea
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rubenwardy I signed up using indieauth but I can't find that option anymore
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[snarfed] ok what's your Mastodon handle
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rubenwardy @rubenwardy@fosstodon.org
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rubenwardy https://webmention.io/api/mentions.jf2?target=https://blog.rubenwardy.com/2023/04/26/bing-ban/
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rubenwardy compare that to this, from last year: https://webmention.io/api/mentions.jf2?target=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.rubenwardy.com%2F2023%2F05%2F04%2Fandroid%2F
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rubenwardy I mean maybe it's a webmention.io problem
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[snarfed] ok, so https://brid.gy/mastodon/@rubenwardy@fosstodon.org , I'll look
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rubenwardy https://fosstodon.org/@rubenwardy/110267408651479876
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[snarfed] ah, your auth got disconnected, try re-authing on that page
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rubenwardy click to enable backfeed?
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[snarfed] yup
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rubenwardy must be quite expensive to host brid.gy
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[snarfed] not really, ~$40/mo
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rubenwardy cheaper than expensive
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[snarfed] more in https://snarfed.org/2022-06-05_bridgy-stats-update-7
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rubenwardy does brid.gy log direct messages from mastodon? Given it has access to notifications
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rubenwardy ooh I love stats
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rubenwardy wish more stats were open
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[snarfed] no, only fully public activities. https://brid.gy/about#fully+public
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rubenwardy nice
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rubenwardy will brid.gy automatically import everything since 2 months ago now? If not, is there a way to tell it about posts that it missed?
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[KevinMarks] That seems cheap, clearly [snarfed] is good at efficient code
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[snarfed] thanks! it was more impressive when twitter was working. I could definitely get it down smaller now
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rubenwardy worked it out. Thanks for the quick response!
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[snarfed] welcome!
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capjamesg Is "link wrapper" a pattern?
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rubenwardy I used the reset feature to tell bridgy about this mastodon post, but I only see 5 like-of webmentions instead of the 12 the post actually has. Maybe this is a webmention.io problem? https://fosstodon.org/@rubenwardy/110267408651479876
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Loqi [preview] [rubenwardy] New blog post: #Bing (and #DuckDuckGo) shadow banned my website. Can you help? https://blog.rubenwardy.com/2023/04/26/bing-ban/
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rubenwardy *resend feature
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[jacky] gives me indiekit vibes but for an app https://github.com/TootSDK/TootSDK
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[snarfed] rubenwardy looks like bridgy found them all: https://brid.gy/mastodon/@rubenwardy@fosstodon.org?responses_before=2023-05-04T22:13:03.428823+00:00#responses
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Loqi [preview] [TootSDK] TootSDK: Cross-platform Swift library for the Mastodon and the fediverse
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rubenwardy ah thanks
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rubenwardy if I add ?wm-property=like-of to the webmention.io, I get all of them
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rubenwardy so it must be limiting the results
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rubenwardy ah, looks like it's paginated
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rubenwardy thanks again
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> [tantek] the firehouse is sent as bytes and I couldn’t figure out how to read it in full.
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IWDiscordRelay <c​apjamesg#4492> That is to say, the project you linked is impressive!
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rubenwardy https://fosstodon.org/@rubenwardy/110312930865530776
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rubenwardy and sleep
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Loqi [preview] [rubenwardy] My blog now shows likes from the fediverse. It's the number of favourites on my toots sharing my blog posts.The only remaining thing to complete #IndieWeb backfeeding is to show fediverse replies on my blog, I don't think I'll do this as it seems lik... https://cdn.fosstodon.org/media_attachments/files/110/312/916/290/908/094/original/8e89e8024717c611.png
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[tantek] rubenwardy++ nicely done!
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Loqi rubenwardy has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (3 in all channels)
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rubenwardy :)
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rubenwardy [snarfed]++ thanks for the help today
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Loqi [snarfed] has 93 karma in this channel over the last year (149 in all channels)
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[tantek] What is Mastodon
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Loqi Mastodon is an open source social network project that supports some IndieWeb building blocks like microformats2 & rel-me, and has a federation of many instances, including https://indieweb.social/ for IndieWeb fans https://indieweb.org/Mastodon
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[tantek] rubenwardy get some sleep and then add yourself (as a subsection by name) to https://indieweb.org/Mastodon#IndieWeb_Examples
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[aciccarello] I was hoping to get my node.js micropub server up running on http://fly.io but something broke after the initial deployment and I'm at a loss for how to fix it...
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[snarfed] welcome rubenwardy!