#dev 2023-08-02

2023-08-02 UTC
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gRegor I doubt it. Is there a use-case or just a hypothetical?
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[snarfed] trwnh I think the answer right now is that it's unspecified
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[snarfed] https://webmention.net/draft/#create-a-source-document-that-mentions-the-target doesn't say anything about either required Accept or Content-Type for source docs
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[snarfed] https://webmention.net/draft/#webmention-verification says the Accept header on the source fetch is up to the receiver, not the sender
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[snarfed] maybe more importantly, in practice almost all webmention usage in the wild so far has assumed/required HTML. theoretically other types could work too, at least text types that can contain the target URL, and the spec lightly mentions those, but we have very little experience beyond HTML so far
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[aciccarello] Left a review on https://github.com/microformats/microformats-parser-website-node/pull/1#pullrequestreview-1558270347 and also opened my own small PR https://github.com/microformats/microformats-parser-website-node/pull/1
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[KevinMarks] you can put a webmention header on a non HTML asset, so target works, but parsing the source for a link is trickier. You can just treat it as text and search fro the link (there are some json and xml examples IIRC) but conneg is not a good answer. rel=alternate is better
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[KevinMarks] eg https://svgshare.com/s/BBx shows a webmention with source=https://indieweb.org/buttons and target=https://svgshare.com/i/BBx.svg because the svg file has a webmention link header
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[KevinMarks] ```curl --head https://svgshare.com/i/BBx.svg
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[KevinMarks] HTTP/2 200
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[KevinMarks] link: <https://webmention.herokuapp.com/api/webmention>; rel="webmention"```
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Loqi [preview] microformats svg icon https://svgshare.com/i/BBx.svg
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[Jo] Oh that's smart
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trwnh it was partially a hypothetical, kind of a thought experiment on AS2 + Webmention for notifying someone that you've replied to them or that there is a Mention tag, without sending them a Create (which may have undesirable side effects)
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trwnh conneg in that case would be required unless you served the jsonld and the html via different URIs
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[snarfed] Sure! Yeah there's currently no provision for indicating required conneg like that to a webmention receiver
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[snarfed] It would theoretically work if you served on different URLs though!
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[snarfed] There probably aren't any existing wm receivers that support AS2 sources, but it's at least theoretically possible
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sknebel although in most cases an AP implementatio would serve the jsonld if explicitly requested, right?
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sknebel and a HTML version otherwise?
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[snarfed] right. in trwnh's scenario, they want the wm receiver to fetch and use the AS2 JSON (LD) as the source document, but wm receivers wouldn't know to use conneg to get that document, so they'd get the HTML instead
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sknebel which would also have a link
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sknebel presumably?
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[snarfed] rel-alternate? sure, but similarly there's no way to tell a wm receiver to follow a specific rel link and use it as the source doc instead
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sknebel no, to the thing mentioned
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[snarfed] oh. sure, but it sounded like the goal wasn't just to pass wm verification, it was for the wm receiver to actually fetch and use the AS2 as the source doc
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[snarfed] (trwnh can correct me if I'm wrong!)
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sknebel okay, but if you build a receiver that is expected to deal with json-ld, then its IMHO also fine to expect to figure out how to do that
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sknebel *how to get that
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sknebel doesnt need you to tell it how
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[snarfed] sure! totally fine. you're just into non-standard territory
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[snarfed] you'd also need some logic for which types to prefer. the HTML doc would be a perfectly valid source doc that links to the target, but the wm sender wants the receiver to use the JSON-LD instead, so the receiver would need to know to prefer it
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[snarfed] I'm curious what aaronpk thinks here, given that non-HTML source docs were foreseen in the spec, but in practice no one's seriously tried to use them yet afaik
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sknebel in doubt discover both, check both. conneg is annoying like that, but thats just how it is
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[snarfed] sure, you can fetch and look at both, but if both are valid, like in this case, you still need to decide which one to use
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[snarfed] or in this case, rel-alternate following
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aaronpk I think technically my website (and webmention.io) will accept a webmention from a URL that serves activitypub json via conneg already
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aaronpk because it uses XRay to fetch the source page, and XRay has a complicated conneg string and content type priority list
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[snarfed] aaronpk interesting! I'm guessing XRay's conneg still prefers HTML though, right?
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aaronpk Yes but there's also something about having it retry with a different conneg string somewhere
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aaronpk Hmm actually no activity json is higher up https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/blob/438430ffc20e02790f67c19b5d080401fc5bc697/lib/XRay/Fetcher.php#L69
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aaronpk Tho there's a way for the thing calling the library to change the accept header too so really I'd have to check what webmention.io is doing
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[snarfed] wow interesting. so do you convert from AS2 to jf2 or something similar?
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aaronpk Yeah
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aaronpk That's in here https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/blob/main/lib/XRay/Formats/ActivityStreams.php
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[snarfed] cool!
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sknebel I feel like we had some cases where things went weird because it fetched an AS2 version
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[snarfed] sounds likely
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sknebel ah that was this: https://github.com/aaronpk/XRay/issues/101
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Loqi [preview] [bekopharm] #101 Make this work with ActivityPub WordPress plugin
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gRegor what is selfauth
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Loqi selfauth is a single user authorization endpoint written as single-file PHP without a database https://indieweb.org/selfauth
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gRegor doesnm[m]1, are you getting a selfauth php error? which php version?
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doesnm[m]1 <gRegor> "doesnm, are you getting a..." <- 8.2.8
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capjamesg [snarfed] How do I change my profile photo on Mastodon?
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gRegor doesnm[m]1, Could you file an issue on github? https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth/issues
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doesnm[m]1 Okay. One sec, im want to reproduce
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gRegor capjamesg, https://fed.brid.gy/docs#update-profile
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capjamesg It updated my note but not my photo.
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doesnm[m]1 https://github.com/Inklings-io/selfauth/issues/50
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doesnm[m]1 @gRegor
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Loqi [preview] [doesnmisclown] #50 Deprecation
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gRegor Using the refresh button on BF? Shouldn't update any notes.
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gRegor Mastodon caching too, may not update immediately
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gRegor Esp if you're not signed in
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doesnm[m]1 Ping 1 minute xd
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doesnm[m]1 Im sleep, tommorow checks github
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gRegor doesnm[m]1++ thanks. I don't really use/maintain selfauth but others might take a look soon
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Loqi doesnm[m]1 has 1 karma over the last year
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gRegor capjamesg, doesn't look like you have a representative h-card https://indiewebify.me/validate-h-card/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fjamesg.blog%2F
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doesnm[m]1 gRegor: BF?
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gRegor Bridgy Fed, that was meant for capjamesg
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doesnm[m]1 Btw libera planning to disable matrix-irc bridge. IndieWeb drops matrix?
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sknebel they are not disabling the bridge, they just switch it to opt in
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sknebel (and a slightly different mode of operation, which we'll switch to)
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[snarfed] capjamesg BF may also be unhappy somewhere here, I'll look
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capjamesg Thank you!
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capjamesg !pin13 https://swicg.io/
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Kaja https://php.microformats.io/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fswicg.io%2F
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Loqi [preview] W3C SWICG
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Loqi [preview] W3C SWICG
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gRegor nice! I think u-uid should only be on the homepage URL though.
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[aciccarello] What is u-uid?
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Loqi u-uid is a microformats2 property for representing a unique identifier for the item, e.g https://indieweb.org/u-uid
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capjamesg I'm going to bed but feel free to submit PRs! https://github.com/swicg/www
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Loqi [preview] [swicg] www: Homepage for SWICG.
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gRegor g'night!
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