#dev 2023-09-14

2023-09-14 UTC
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gRegor snarfed, Using the BF cross-post to Mastodon option, it's saying that social.lifeofpablo.com doesn't look like a Mastodon instance. Any details from the logs?
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[snarfed] gRegor "doesn't look like a Mastodon instance" sounds like Bridgy classic, not Fed...?
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[snarfed] looking...
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gRegor Sorry, yes, the left big button on fed.brid.gy "cross-post to Mastodon account"
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gRegor hard to keep the bridgy flavors clear :)
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[snarfed] Bridgy got a 403 response when it fetched https://social.lifeofpablo.com/api/v1/instance , but I can fetch that fine
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[snarfed] so I suspect that server is blocking Google Cloud :face_with_diagonal_mouth:
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[snarfed] knowingly or otherwise
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gRegor aha
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gRegor Thanks!
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[KevinMarks] The thread at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/art/cPMz7xpst7lCktuEzM4f0wRh2xA/ is full of very scary examples of unicode mishandling in different OS's
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[tantek] https://indieweb.social/@benpate@mastodon.social/111060394879362621
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[tantek] ^ this is very cool
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[tantek] What is Emissary
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Loqi Emissary is an open source server project for “a different kind of distributed social medium that is friendly, safe, and welcoming to everyone” that supports IndieWeb building blocks https://indieweb.org/Emissary
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Loqi [preview] [Ben Pate 🤘] Not that I know of, but I’d love to stay in the loop or collaborate with you. MicroPub is on my roadmap for #Emissary - as soon as I work out this pesky ActivityPub stuff. @ThePaulMcBride
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[tantek] benpate++
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[tantek] Emissary << IndieWeb friendly plans/roadmap: [[Micropub]] support per https://mastodon.social/@benpate/111060394826305829
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Loqi ok, I added "IndieWeb friendly plans/roadmap: [[Micropub]] support per https://mastodon.social/@benpate/111060394826305829" to the "See Also" section of /Emissary https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89247&oldid=86351
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omz13 [tantek] Care to comment on this? https://github.com/Dan-Q/well-known-feeds
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Loqi [preview] [Dan-Q] well-known-feeds: Specification for the .well-known/feeds resource identifier
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c​apjamesg You can do that with rel alternate discovery right?
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omz13 Yes, this is somebody proposing an alternative to alternative; some minimal rationale at https://danq.me/tag/rss/
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[KevinMarks] No: https://github.com/Dan-Q/well-known-feeds/issues/1
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Loqi [preview] [kevinmarks] #1 Unnecessarily complicated
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omz13 [KevinMarks] wasn't it the (or a) convention that any rel=alternative links on the root page are considered as site-wide feed links
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omz13 I think what he's trying to do is have someway to categorize groups of links (e.g. for site-wide feeds, for author-in-site feeds) and have them available in one (opml) resource
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omz13 a feed-of-feed thing (which was IIRC what OPML was originally about)
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[KevinMarks] And they have names and types which you can parse and show like aperture does
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[KevinMarks] What you need for that is a page with a list of links. For example: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10628494
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[KevinMarks] Re the data portability discussion, what became of https://dtinit.org/
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c​apjamesg ActivityPub mention in https://engineering.fb.com/2023/09/07/culture/threads-inside-story-metas-newest-social-app/
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sknebel search << option for JS-based client-side search generated from static pages: https://pagefind.app/
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Loqi ok, I added "option for JS-based client-side search generated from static pages: https://pagefind.app/" to the "See Also" section of /search https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89250&oldid=86584
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capjamesg We have scheduled the next SWICG meeting: https://events.indieweb.org/2023/09/september-2023-swicg-community-meeting-TA731v5tOpFY
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capjamesg Rechartering a new Social Web Working Group is on the schedule. If you would like to see the WG continue to work on improving IndieWeb specs (Webmention, Micropub, etc.) please join the meeting and share your thoughts on the motion.
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[snarfed] capjamesg++ nice!
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[snarfed] unrelated, I'm fixing a bluesky bug in my code right now caused by their data model (arguably) misusing the term `subject` when they actually mean `object`
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[snarfed] eg `subject` in https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto/blob/main/lexicons/app/bsky/graph/follow.json is the followee, not follower
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[snarfed] they're arguing that `subject` is the appropriate term. the bug fix in my code is literally `'object': obj.get('subject')`. sigh
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[snarfed] (minor nit, of course)
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[schmarty] "Minor nit: words have meaning" 😅
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[tw2113_Slack_] i have doubts about that schmarty…:P
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gRegor That's just... subjective 😎
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[tw2113_Slack_] i relay facts 😄
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[tw2113_Slack_] at least in my own head
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gRegor just a joke about the subject/object thing, not your comment :)
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[tw2113_Slack_] oh i’m serious on my end though 😉
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[tw2113_Slack_] anyways, food consumed, back to work
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capjamesg [snarfed] angelo gRegor omz13 If you have time, attendance at https://events.indieweb.org/2023/09/september-2023-swicg-community-meeting-TA731v5tOpFY would be appreciated.
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capjamesg We are scheduled to vote on the prospects of a new Social WG and its remit.
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capjamesg [KevinMarks] too (and all other CG members!)
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gRegor I'll see, but I've honestly not had much capacity and haven't been following the CG
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omz13 capjamesg I'll try to attend but no guarantees; IndieWeb seems to be very much in the shadow of all the ActivityPub stuff (about which I have opinions but I keep them to myself)
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[KevinMarks] Can you add how to join please
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Renfield Fisher244599 constantly joining and disconnecting seems a bit abusive of the service.
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c​apjamesg I noticed that. Could be a bot?
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c​apjamesg omz13 this is exactly the meeting in which we will discuss that.
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c​apjamesg I think there is a lot more IndieWeb work to do; we had a nice discussion on data portability at TPAC, for example.
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c​apjamesg Will do [KevinMarks]!
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angelo the agenda for that meeting has us discussing the scope of the working group after agreeing to it being rechartered? shouldn't it be the other way around?
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[snarfed] related, minor FYI [tantek] on the SWICG meeting notes https://www.w3.org/2023/09/12-social-minutes.html#x528 , Nostr isn't blockchain based. the community overlaps substantially with the Bitcoin community, but it's just community overlap, not tech
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[snarfed] I should add a new row to https://fed.brid.gy/docs#compare that says "blockchain: no; no; no; no" 😆
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Loqi definitely
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