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[tantek] gRegor, aaronpk curious what specific problems a "routing framework" is solving for you, especially in PHP
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aaronpk [tantek]: being able to create nice URLs without every URL having to end in a slash where the file is index.php, and similarly wanting to use a templating framework that doesn't involve putting `include(header.php)` at the top of every file
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aaronpk for example, my website has URLs like /YYYY/mm/dd/slug and I don't want to have to make a new post by making an index.php file like /YYYY/mm/dd/slug/index.php
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aaronpk and similarly I'd like my tag pages to be created automatically, rather than having to create a file like /tag/indieweb/index.php each time i make a new tag
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aaronpk so the web server sends all requests (that don't match a file) to the /index.php script, which reads the actual requested URL and figures out what to do with it
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aaronpk the "figures out what to do with it" part is the routing framework
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aaronpk I *could* write my own, but that sounds like a losing battle, so I chose one that already exists
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epoch is that using PATH_INFO under the hood?
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gRegor I also like Slim's other features, not just the router: PSR-7, middleware, dependency injection. And I like how lightweight it is overall.
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gRegor I used it for indiebookclub and for some work projects
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[tantek] thank you that helps aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 45 karma in this channel over the last year (115 in all channels)
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[tantek] Those overlap heavily with my own use-cases for "routing", and it turns out I most of that in my short URL handler (Whistle) and some of it in Falcon, and it could be better abstracted into one place
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[tantek] what "input" do you give the "routing framework"? e.g. do you give it some set of URL patterns (like robots.txt takes?) and it matches those to different PHP files to handle those paths?
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[tantek] I'm going to choose that battle and write my own (likely building it into CASSIS, or a cassis-runtime) that works in both JS (clientside) and PHP (serverside) if I can. that's the goal.
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gRegor They're set up explicitly: https://www.slimframework.com/docs/v4/objects/routing.html
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gRegor They support regex and placeholder arguments
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gRegor It uses this component for the routing, if you're interested in just that part: https://github.com/nikic/FastRoute
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Loqi [preview] [nikic] FastRoute: Fast request router for PHP
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epoch oki doke, looks like those things don't bother using PATH_INFO
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epoch makes more sense to base it on $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] anyway
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[tantek] Bluesky << Search API endpoint is not auth'd and can be viewed from a browser, e.g.: https://search.bsky.social/search/posts?q=indieweb or https://search.bsky.social/search/posts?q=indieweb.org
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Loqi ok, I added "Search API endpoint is not auth'd and can be viewed from a browser, e.g.: https://search.bsky.social/search/posts?q=indieweb or https://search.bsky.social/search/posts?q=indieweb.org" to the "See Also" section of /Bluesky https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=89864&oldid=88293
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[KevinMarks] That's a new acronym https://bsky.link/?url=https://bsky.app/profile/rmendes.net/post/3kaytkmfl7o2c
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sknebel OY,SSE sounds like an encouragement to vector compute ;)
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[tantek] meh
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[tantek] [snarfed] have you considered using the Bsky open search API as a feed / polling approach to Bluesky backfeed? E.g. https://search.bsky.social/search/posts?q=snarfed.org (no app key / phrase / password needed)
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[KevinMarks] Firesky is good for the old conference hashtag feed view
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[KevinMarks] I could add search to bsky.link quickly, but I think James is trying to discourage use now
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[snarfed] bluesky backfeed is already mostly implemented in [Joel_Auterson]'s https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/pull/1523 and nearby PRs! uses the official API, not search
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Loqi [preview] [JoelOtter] #1523 Add Bluesky backfeed support
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[tantek] ^ except with requiring Username and App Password tho. Presumably using the search API would require neither
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[snarfed] opt in for backfeed seems useful though? that's how Bridgy (classic) works with all other silos, first you auth
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[snarfed] I've gotten negative feedback before on projects like https://github.com/snarfed/hackermention that surprised people by proactively/promiscuously backfeeding to their sites
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[snarfed] do you have a reasonable use case for enabling backfeed for an account that you can't/won't auth for?
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Loqi [preview] [snarfed] hackermention: Universal webmention backfeed for silos like Reddit, Hacker News, and more.
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sknebel opt-in target vs source I'd think?
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sknebel i.e. "I want notifications of my site being mentioned in other places"?
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[tantek] [snarfed] didn't you do something with Reddit or HN where you were streaming all references to a domain without any auth?
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[tantek] yes I think sknebel makes the right distinction
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[snarfed] yeah that's what I linked to 😁
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[snarfed] ohh I see. yes, we'd eventually use bluesky search to backfeed site links
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hoschi Has anyone tried implementing an activity mosaic (think github) yet in some way? I'm thinking about putting some of my habit tracking onto the website or at least showing, how well I'm doing.
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[tantek] I feel like we have a few examples of that but don't remember where on the wiki
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sknebel what is calendar heatmap?
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Loqi calendar heatmap is a 2-dimensional calendar view that shows a value over time through color coding it, often with warmer colors indicating higher values (hence heatmap) https://indieweb.org/calendar_heatmap
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sknebel no indieweb examples, seems people prefer other styles:
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sknebel what is posting graph?
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Loqi posting graph is a visualization of post publishing frequency which can be presented in various ways like a calendar heatmap or a sparkline, and also called contributions or a contribution graph by GitHub https://indieweb.org/posting_graph
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[KevinMarks] You could also use the joy division graph https://www.kevinmarks.com/joyofsparks.html
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Loqi [preview] The Joy of Sparks 2016-05-08
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[tantek] what is an activity mosaic
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "activity mosaic" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "activity mosaic is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] activity mosaic is /calendar_heatmap
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Loqi ok
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hoschi Thanks for mentioning some alternatives sknebel ! I hoped, this style somewhat existed already on the indieweb but different visualizations are great too.
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hoschi [KevinMarks]: so joy sparks are basically a sparkline with linebreaks?
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[KevinMarks] Yes, wrapped daily in this case (the original was wrapped at the pulsar frequency). You could put the date/time and number on hover. For individual posts, wrapping by week likely makes more sense than by day.
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hoschi I like that idea!
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[KevinMarks] I also have my wriggly histogram that I should write up. The premise there is that you plot the time accurately on the x axis and increment the y value each time, resetting every hour or day. It's really good at spotting surges.
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hoschi Sure, though that one might be less intuitive to understand at first glance.
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[KevinMarks] an example (each row is a different site, blue dots are requests for info at each site, so a proxy for site failure)
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[KevinMarks] https://chat-uploads.indieweb.org/files/2023/10/dev-20231017-172541-screen_shot_2023-10-17_at_10.24.01.png
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[KevinMarks] so you don't just get a barchart, you get a slope for the increase too
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hoschi Guess it's a bit late for me to get that (nearly 8pm), but anyway: interesting approach, combining plott chart and bar chart
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gRegor I recently added my posting graph back, originally inpsired by github's
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gRegor Still need to link each square to its archive page
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c​apjamesg gRegor link?
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gRegor https://indieweb.org/posting_graph#gRegor_Morrill
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hoschi gRegor: Seems pretty solid 👍
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gRegor looks better when I actually post, haha
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hoschi :D
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