#dev 2023-12-12

2023-12-12 UTC
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[jacky] https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-richardroda-420requesterimpaired-02.html interesting
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Loqi [preview] Richard Roda (editor)
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[jacky] Could see me returning this to a micropub client that I just think is fishy
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GWG Fishy?
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aaronpk getting a head start on April 1 I see
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aaronpk 420 Requester Impaired 😂
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aaronpk it started as "420 Operator Impaired" I see
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aaronpk https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richardroda-420operatorimpaired/
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[snarfed] yeah odd timing
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[snarfed] amusing regardless
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[jamietanna] ↩️ Not sure why the tag didn't work right 🤷‍♂️
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[jacky] The former, tbh but the latter sounds like what indieauth.rocks would be
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[jamietanna] [jacky] yeah with my (Java) implementation I used some common OAuth2 libraries to validate my implementation, as well as using some hand-rolled cases derived from the IndieAuth spec. Can't see offhand which ones I used so may be I'd not committed them 🤔 (or it's just so long since I've touched it I've forgotten how it all works 😬)
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[tantek] has anyone documented the absolute minimum necessary /hostmeta or /webfinger files for Mastodon compatibility? i.e. the *minimum* necessary static files (i.e. removing any file causes an error) to serve from your domain, with the *minimum* information (i.e. removing any property causes an error) that Mastodon attempts to retrieve?
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[tantek] I'd like to start brainstorming a minimum follow-your-nose alternative to the subset of hostmeta/webfinger that Mastodon is using, as a possible fallback for ActivityPub implementations so we can figure out a path to obsoleting hostemeta/webfinger static paths
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[tantek] yes I checked /.well-known /webfinger /Mastodon and none of them document this (minimum necessary static files with minimum necessary information therein)
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[snarfed] yeah there was a post on that a while back
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[snarfed] https://justingarrison.com/blog/2022-12-06-mastodon-files-instance/
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[KevinMarks] Didn't you reverse engineer that for bridgy fed, or did you still have the OStatus support in that?
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[snarfed] I generally followed specs first, then trial and error/reverse engineered interop
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[snarfed] and yeah BF used to support OStatus, no longer. can't remember if I originally shipped it before or after AP or at the same time
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[KevinMarks] https://hci.social/@andresmh/111564479601883364
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Loqi [preview] [Andrés Monroy-Hernández] We're organizing a small in-person workshop about federated/decentralized social media at Princeton.https://dsmw.cs.princeton.edu/We're interested in bringing folks who develop fediverse tech or admins that manage active Mastodon instances. We have s...
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[tantek] Mastodon << 2022-12-06 [https://justingarrison.com/blog/2022-12-06-mastodon-files-instance/ Mastodon instance with 6 files], describes the minimum six necessary files, starting with webfinger]]?request=acct:user@domain," target="_blank">/[[webfinger]]?request=acct:user@domain, that a Mastodon instance will query your site at "domain" to do [[discovery]] for user profile information.
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Loqi ok, I added "2022-12-06 [https://justingarrison.com/blog/2022-12-06-mastodon-files-instance/ Mastodon instance with 6 files], describes the minimum six necessary files, starting with webfinger]]?request=acct:user@domain," target="_blank">/[[webfinger]]?request=acct:user@domain, that a Mastodon instance will query your site at "domain" to do [[discovery]] for user profile information." to the "See Also" section of /Mastodon https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=91172&oldid=91076
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[tantek] Mastodon << ^ [[to-do]]: inspect those six minimum files for which properties are truly essential, and which can be left out (without breaking Mastodon's consuming code flow), and come up with an alternative [[FYN]] discovery method to use instead, and propose as a fallback for [[webfinger]], so sites don't have to bother with supporting any explicit root level .well-known]]" target="_blank">/[[.well-known]] paths.
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Loqi ok, I added "^ [[to-do]]: inspect those six minimum files for which properties are truly essential, and which can be left out (without breaking Mastodon's consuming code flow), and come up with an alternative [[FYN]] discovery method to use instead, and propose as a fallback for [[webfinger]], so sites don't have to bother with supporting any explicit root level .well-known]]" target="_blank">/[[.well-known]] paths." to the "See Also" section of /Mastodon https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=91173&oldid=91172
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c​apjamesg [KevinMarks] That event looks amazing.
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c​apjamesg That is how Meta should have done it.
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[tantek] capjamesg, maybe? different goals and constraints
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[tantek] there have been other such events like that. How is that Princeton event different from say, Fediforum?
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[tantek] what is Fediforum
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Loqi FediForum is an online conference for people working on the "fediverse", most recently held on September 20-21, 2023, with several IndieWeb community members participating and some leading talks on IndieWeb-relevant topics. The first conference was held on March 29-30th, 2023 https://indieweb.org/FediForum
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c​apjamesg That's fair. I just get excited at any event 😄
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[KevinMarks] Worth applying for, they have some travel funding.
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[tantek] capjamesg++ for eventexcitement++
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[KevinMarks] Sounds s bit like the ones Microsoft used to run, remember those Tantek?
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c​apjamesg [KevinMarks] The date might be a bit tricky. We'll see!
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] that sounds vaguely familiar but I'm having difficulty remembering any specific instance 🙈
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] I have captured FYN and FYND suggestions here: https://indieweb.org/follow_your_nose#Brainstorming — please feel free to expand. Also for anyone else, please add your opinions of those two abbreviations/initialisms there.
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gRegor Does anyone know if there's an Instagram URL you can use to initiate a DM to an account? Wanting a link from a site like "Send us a message on Instagram"
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gRegor Found it. instagram.com/m/username seems to work.
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aaronpk put that on the wiki!
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s​tarrwulfe YES, that's something I can use right away with our business Instagram site
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gRegor https://indieweb.org/Instagram#How_to_use_a_link_to_initiate_a_direct_message
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aaronpk gRegor++
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