#dev 2024-07-02

2024-07-02 UTC
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[morganm] I have 40 something websites on Netlify
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[morganm] Touch wood ... That their free tier doesn't depreciate too fast
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capjamesg[d] [Joe_Crawford] One thing I'd love to know more about is https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/columns. I don't understand when this should be used.
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[Joe_Crawford] Oooh yes good topic!
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[Joe_Crawford] We will talk about that today
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[Murray] Ha, literally considering using columns right now for something 😄 I have a section in my CV of past roles. On wider screens I want these to wrap, rather than remain in a single stack, but think the reading order still makes sense left-down, then right, rather than the right-to-left/top-down direction that something like Flex or Block layout would grant.
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ptramo[d] Murray[d] `column-width: 40ch;`?
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[Murray] @ptramo sorry, not sure what the question is, but yes that is the width I'm using?
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[Joe_Crawford] Talking about Post By Email inside WordPress https://wordpress.com/support/post-by-email/ with capjamesg and [tantek] - forgot this was built into WordPress
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[tantek] what is post by email
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Loqi post by email is a feature for publishing new content on a website by emailing a special email address, supported by some micropub publishing clients (like Quill) and some silos (like Flickr) https://indieweb.org/post_by_email
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[tantek] post by email << [[WordPress]] built-in support: https://wordpress.com/support/post-by-email/
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Loqi ok, I added "[[WordPress]] built-in support: https://wordpress.com/support/post-by-email/" to the "See Also" section of /post_by_email https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=96038&oldid=23091
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voxpelli What’s missing for rel-author + rel-me to be enough to resolve the identity graph needs of this new mastodon feature? https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/30398#issuecomment-2204184781
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[tantek] voxpelli++ for that comment, well stated and encouraging for future convergence
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[tantek] [manton] ^ curious what your thoughts are on this, and perhaps towards a concrete "would the rel=author approach 'work' for http://micro.blog" question
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[tantek] what is rel-author
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Loqi rel-author is a microformat for linking a page to a URL representing an author of that page, a brief (similar to OGP) way to indicate authorship https://indieweb.org/rel%3Dauthor
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[tantek] voxpelli, [manton] for context, here's the last time we chatted about this fedi:creator / rel=author issue: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2024-06-20#t1718911961986800
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[tantek] voxpelli, in particular, at the time I wrote this up: https://indieweb.org/rel-author#How_to and would appreciate your review as someone who has implemented consuming rel=author. I believe there is a chance there to document both something "simpler" for rel=author and make sure that the authorship-algorithm reflects the realities of implementation experience
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[manton] I would definitely prefer rel-author to new OpenGraph tags. I’m a little surprised Mastodon didn’t explore that because they’re already using rel-me on profiles.
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[manton] If I can think out loud here, to solve the verification problem (which they haven’t finished yet) you would do something like this?
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[manton] ```article page:
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[manton] <link rel="me" href="article-domain-name">```
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[manton] <link rel="me" href="profile-URL">
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[manton] Mastodon profile:
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[manton] <link rel="author" href="acct:fediverse-username">
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[manton] Is that enough? Or does it create problems for multiple authors?
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jimwins It could be a problem for freelancers that may be published on many domains.
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jimwins And the relationship from the Mastodon profile to the article domain name isn't really "me", it's more like "my-publisher".
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[manton] Yeah. Perhaps it stretches the definition of “me” too much.
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jimwins I think the other problem with this is that if I'm The Atlantic, do I really want that "follow" link to be the journalist, or the publication?
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[manton] What is the prior art for showing where someone works? h-card has “p-org” for someone’s organization. Sort of similar to a hypothetical rel=“publisher” for authors.
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[manton] jimwins: Yeah, in that case “me” really would be e.g. The Atlantic.
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[manton] You’re right, larger publications probably wouldn’t jump at using this. Perhaps that’s why they mentioned more indie-focused sites (compared to NYT or The Washington Post) when announcing this, like The Verge and MacStories.
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jimwins Yeah, I think this is a case of the feature being very inspired by particular publication and journalist relationships the Mastodon folks have and without very much time given to actually thinking through the actual problem to be solved.
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voxpelli The interesting thing about rel-author algo is that it can be used for much more than presentation
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voxpelli At Flattr I worked on using it to be able to claim donations rewarded to eg an article
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[KevinMarks] For a big publication like the Atlantic they have author pages to point the rel=me to, and that is the logical page to link to the mastodon account
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[KevinMarks] https://www.theatlantic.com/author/arthur-schlesinger-jr/