#dev 2024-09-08

2024-09-08 UTC
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[jacky] aaronpk: do you have stats on load for http://webmention.io? (like # of mentions per day/week/month kind of thing)
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aaronpk Yeah I can dig that up
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[jacky] 🙏
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[jacky] goal/reasoning is to see if I can make a lil' benchmarking tool for something (trying to practice the "show don't tell" on the homepage)
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aaronpk what particular stats do you want?
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aaronpk huh there was a big drop in june
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aaronpk i think that corresponds with a change i made to stop accepting webmentions for arbitrary domains on accounts, but i thought i did that in a way that wouldn't break everyone's existing setups
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[jacky] hm, so I'm thinking how many incoming requests you'd see on a periodic basis, # of requests by status code, # of requests (and size of) webmentions fetched (like when people hit the `?target=` endpoint)
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aaronpk ohh i think i turned off pingbacks in june
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[jacky] that'd close a valve, I'd imagine
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aaronpk yeah i decided the value of them was less than zero so i just turned it off
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aaronpk this is only webmentions, no pingbacks https://media.aaronpk.com/2024/09/07190514-7721.png
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[jacky] wow that's a lot more than I was expecting tbh
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[jacky] like even quickly, that looks like it'd never fall below (squints) maybe 1,000?
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[jacky] 1,000/mo
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[jacky] that's not bad at all tho
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aaronpk https://media.aaronpk.com/2024/09/07190635-1268.png
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aaronpk better https://media.aaronpk.com/2024/09/07190726-8241.png
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[jacky] Much, yes
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[jacky] Okay, ty! If anything, this is super doable
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[jacky] now to disappear like Tuxedo Mask from Sailor Moon ol
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jonnybarnes anyone else having issues with bridgy to Bluesky cross posting?
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jonnybarnes regenerated the app password, but when I make a new post I’m still getting an error
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jonnybarnes `Client error: `POST https://brid.gy/micropub` resulted in a `401 Unauthorized` response: { "error": "unauthorized", "error_description": "No publish user found with that token" }`
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pcarrier Ah, argument for webp over/as well as avif: iOS 15
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[KevinMarks] Apparently the way I make my website has a name now: buildless https://mxb.dev/blog/buildless/
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[qubyte] I’m into it, even if I do have a build. It’s a great (the best imo) way to start, and then you can add build bits as necessary. Eventually it led to old school handlebars templates for me, but it obviously doesn’t have to.
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[qubyte] _However,_ this article proposes some pretty over-engineered stuff for HTML… As for JS, I do build, but the result is only an import map and module preloads. Browsers which don’t understand them still get working JS, just without the optimal caching. https://qubyte.codes/blog/progressively-enhanced-caching-of-javascript-modules-without-bundling-using-import-maps
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[morganm] This might seem kind of complainy but I didnt resonate with that article because I wasnt making websites in 2005
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[morganm] per the introduction
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[qubyte] Yeah, vanilla coke was gross.
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[morganm] hahaha yeah it was
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Loqi nice
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[qubyte] hahaha
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[qubyte] You’ve definitely touched on an interesting point there though…
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[qubyte] There’s plenty of content out there appealing to nostalgia.
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[morganm] I feel like the way I make my personal projects, portfolio and open source or nonprofit volunteering websites have distinctly different needs than business websites re build steps
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[morganm] I try and keep the build steps to a bare minimum on collectively owned or operated websites, for an organization where I am a volunteer as well, its about keeping things open to others
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[qubyte] In the specific case of JS, ignoring TypeScript and JSX etc. the build I use is _the_ solution. I’ve even seen big rails apps using something like it recently.
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[qubyte] (imo of course)
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[morganm] Do you mean like JSDoc comments?
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[morganm] or just using JS
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[qubyte] The solution only works for plain JS, but compile-to-js languages have an unavoidable build step anyway.
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[qubyte] And no need to touch the JS code at all.
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superkuh I think a lot of people could save a lot of time and complexity if they remembered SSI exists.
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superkuh re: buildless
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[tantek] As a dev for decades, the zero build step nature of the web was an amazing breath of fresh air.
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[tantek] Ok that article was hilarious. So many somersaults to avoid a line or two of PHP 😂
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aaronpk lol
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[tantek] capjamesg[d] and I are brainstorming about readers a bit
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[tantek] personal newspaper, auto-built overnight (e.g. via GH actions) on your personal site at 1am your local time, for you to quickly read that morning. just article names + author names.
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[tantek] idea: add summary/details markup and put an iframe with the post permalink inside the details element, with the iframe explicitly set to your preferred reading width (so line breaks occur in the post where you want them)
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aaronpk can i get one delivered to a giant epaper display in my living room?
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aaronpk https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Project-E-Ink-Presskit-13.jpeg
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[tantek] ^ aaronpk that needs a CW for WSJ / Musk 😛
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[tantek] also a use-case for old Kindles!
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aaronpk and salesforce
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[tantek] anyone tried the combination of a series of summary/details elements and then iframes in those details elements? (one per obv) if anyone I would guess [KevinMarks] has experimented with this
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[tantek] what is oembed
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Loqi oEmbed is a JSON/XML-based format for providing information to construct a link-preview of a page https://indieweb.org/oEmbed
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[tantek] did we ever come up with a link discovery mechanism for permalink to embeddable permalink? like link rel=embed ?
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[tantek] that e.g. Mastodon could use to link from their toot permalinks to their embed equivalents
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[tantek] e.g. https://indieweb.social/@kevinmarks/113041763678988217/embed
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[tantek] even better than link rel=embed (which I think we should create/propose, which it looks like no one has? so I should propose it / am proposing it)
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[tantek] we should have a way for sites to auto-adapt a page to the embeddable version. many post permalinks (especially on IndieWeb) have a simple enough design that a page could "simply" display:none various header / footer / sidebar "furniture" when embedded
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[tantek] wondering if we need a CSS media query for "in-frame" or "framed"
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Loqi yea!
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[tantek] to indicate explicitly when a page is being displayed inside an iframe from another page on the web
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[KevinMarks] I have done things a bit like that in the past; it's hard to get the iframe size right for the content in practice.
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[tantek] [KevinMarks] I wonder if that "get that iframe size right" problem is due to the furniture problem
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[tantek] or by size do you mean width, height, or both? i.e. I could see setting a deliberate width, and then auto-height
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[KevinMarks] My feed previewer at unmung does the details thing, though having the link in the summary makes it awkward.
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[KevinMarks] This sounds like the old iGoogle homepage
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[tantek] something like @media (framed: none) or @media (framed: iframe) or @media (framed: frameset) or @media (framed: any) — where the latter would include iframe, frameset, and any other (legacy?) embedding contexts like an embed element or object element
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[tantek] similar to the 'scripting' media query selector https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@media/scripting
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[tantek] on another topic, is anyone using / publishing link rel=blogroll either to their HTML blogroll (i.e. from their home page) or to a shared/published OPML XML file? was proposed at least in this blog post, perhaps earlier: https://danq.me/2024/05/03/23615/
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[jacky] oh that's an interesting idea
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[tantek] jacky, you mean the 'framed' media query selector? yeah I may file a feature request in CSSWG for that.
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catgirlin.space any ideas why indielogin.com would give me `This client_id is not registered`?
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aaronpk what are you trying to log in to?
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[tantek] !tell capjamesg[d] you may want to read through lots of subsections here for ideas for your reader (or add some!) https://indieweb.org/reader#Brainstorming
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[0x3b0b] (reading scrollback) oh, that's good to know; pingbacks were the only reason I was using "webmention.io". Not that I think I ever got any.
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aaronpk if you did get any, they were almost certainly spam
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[0x3b0b] I think I'd've noticed if I got any, so I'm pretty sure I didn't
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[snarfed] jonnybarnes I see your successful Micropub requests to Bridgy Publish for Mastodon, and I see you re-requested your Bluesky token and made some failed Micropub attempts for that account
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[snarfed] lmk if you're still having trouble!
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catgirlin.space aaronpk: am trying to use it on my website so i can have private posts
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catgirlin.space https://catgirlin.space/public-indieauth/metadata/ using this as my client id...
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aaronpk ah, it's not meant for public use by people, it's for indieweb services
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aaronpk probably i should actually move it to login.indieweb.org
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catgirlin.space oh :(
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catgirlin.space the developers page does not make that apparent then like, at all....
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aaronpk yeah i need to update that
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catgirlin.space so i have to do all the relmeauth stuff myself then? :(
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aaronpk or you can run your own copy of it
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aaronpk mainly i want to stop having people accidentally rely on these services i run
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catgirlin.space mmm both solutions sound annoying tbh :( probably just wont bother with private posts ig