#dev 2024-10-30
2024-10-30 UTC
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[mattl] wrote up http://WordPress.com to .org to Ghost to Eleventy. I'm also sharing the Eleventy repo for http://blog.libre.fm -- https://mat.tl/blog/2024/10/29/migrating-from-wordpress-com-to-self-hosted-eleventy-via-ghost/
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Loqi The Internet Identity Workshop is a workshop held twice a year that focuses on identity issues where several IndieWeb related sessions have been held over the years https://indieweb.org/IIW
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[Joe_Crawford] [tantek] I finally got around to exporting my links from my homegrown database and into a new tool I'm trying (called linkding, search engines want to correct that name to linkedin) -- and found I bookmarked your Cassis project http://tantek.pbworks.com/w/page/19402872/CassisProject on `2010-11-20T07:44:00+00:00"`
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capjamesg[d] I got my site to 100 on Lighthouse.
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "last things you had to fix" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "last things you had to fix is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# superkuh I can't even get lighthouse-metrics page itself to run.
# superkuh I rate it a 20/100.
# [mattl] superkuh: have you tried http://pagespeed.web.dev?
# superkuh Error: LHR failed to render.
# superkuh Seems to be a common problem.
# superkuh Yes.
# superkuh I rate it also 20/100.
# superkuh Bad support for browsers.
# superkuh Doesn't work in Sea Monkey Classic or Pale Moon.
# superkuh Only designing a site for for-profit megacorp browsers is bad design.
# superkuh Yes, Moz is a ad company now.
# superkuh It's okay though. I know my site is super fast to render. No javascript.
# superkuh A non-profit who's become dedicated to the money flows.
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# superkuh But yeah, in FF ESR I get a 98. A little bit of late layout flow/shift because of images popping in because i host it off home cable internet, I guess.
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# superkuh You're right. That's the reflow issue.
# superkuh Not that they load slow.
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[aciccarello] 11ty has a plugin to generate compressed images that I've been wanting to play with
# [aciccarello] It uses sharp https://www.11ty.dev/docs/plugins/image/
# [aciccarello] I'm still hoping for JPEGXL but it's only supported on safari right now https://caniuse.com/jpegxl
# [aciccarello] I think it would be really cool if you could host a large JPEGXL file and browsers only download as much of the file needed to render on the device
# superkuh I do use jpeg2000 pretty often because it's the standard tile format for NASA's solar telescope images API.
# superkuh Nothing like 4k*4k sun at 60fps in opengl accelerated jpeg2000.
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# [morganm] [aciccarello] https://sustainable-solarpunk.netlify.app/ just something I made a while ago with a jpegxl
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# [morganm] Lighthouse is simultaneously an incredibly powerful product for engaging people within web performance , it's basically how I got started in that area, but in isolation it's also misleading or unhelpful
# [morganm] I think the real gotcha is how it doesn't even really account for time to first byte when it looks at something like the largest contentful paint. Basically it's impossible to have an LCP before the first byte, and if the first byte is like 3+ seconds your gonna have a orange or red LCP and it's not really the images fault it's the hosting or other factors that maybe need a server side fix
# [morganm] Just like enough people have gone on goose chases based on lighthouse audits it's why there is a whole niche of web performance consultants who have a whole lot of context and institutional like knowledge
# [morganm] Stuff on my website about performance btw https://Morganwebdev.org
# [aciccarello] morganm++ That's cool to see it in use
# [aciccarello] jxl is more than half the size!
# [aciccarello] *less than
# [aciccarello] Was able to load it in safar
# [morganm] It worked! Huzzah
# [aciccarello] I was in Bellingham earlier this year. My in-laws just built a house in Blaine
# [aciccarello] That conversation is more for #indieweb-cafe
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gRegor [morganm]++ will take a look! Feel free to share any posts/experience on https://indieweb.org/Google_Lighthouse too
# [morganm] gRegor++
# [morganm] [gRegorLove] that criticism section link is an epic takedown of lighthouse. The thing is though that lighthouse is something like bread and butter 🧈 for many people and their onramp into performance thinking
# [morganm] People definitely have issues with it _because_ it's popular and ubiquitous basically
# [morganm] It's a long read
# [morganm] I only skim read
# [morganm] But basically it's possible to ruin most things and still get a good score , if you know what you are doing
# [morganm] It's from 2019, kind of at a headier time when LH was gaining a lot of traction
# gRegor Definitely useful things in it, so I'm not totally anti, but it is interesting to think how useful it is for personal websites going forward. Like I know some of us are less and less concerned with showing up in Google... Tracy has even been working to remove her site from it due to all the AI and privacy stuff.
# [aciccarello] It seems like it's hard to balance simplicity and nuance when talking about performance
# Loqi robots.txt is a file used to inform web crawlers what parts of a site should or should not be crawled https://indieweb.org/robots_txt
# [morganm] I'm reasonably interested and have some background on this topic about Lighthouse, SEO and google [gRegorLove], mind if I explain a little more ?
# [morganm] And yes I had a big feeling about being indexed at all knowing my robots txt was being ignored or new things I was supposed to add for particular crawlers and such. I actually have a novel or two about how I feel about being on the web at all, but I remain engaged in spaces like this
# [morganm] Tldr - lighthouse means nothing for actual SEO, it's a lab test, what can matter is whether you pass core web vitals, which requires your website to be reasonably trafficked
# [morganm] The audits may have relevance to how your site gets indexed or its search terms or searchability in some ways, but it's not a ranking factor unlike core web vitals which has a mysterious not defined input amongst thousands of inputs
# [morganm] Sounds like your onto it
# [morganm] 🫡
# [morganm] If you have any broad questions about core web vitals I can lend some expertise there
# [morganm] Indie web is doing well cheers everyone !
# [morganm] Note the lighthouse performance score got a 62 for me, but it passes core web vitals with real user data
# [aciccarello] Related: https://darkvisitors.com/
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# [aciccarello] IndieWebifyMe++
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# capjamesg[d] [mattl] Run `curl -I https://jamesg.blog` 😛
# capjamesg[d] That's the wrong emoji to use for a message involving a command 🤦
# capjamesg[d] It will show the headers of the web request to my home page.
# capjamesg[d] You can also use browser dev tools to view them.
# [morganm] Sometimes I imagine the impact and breadth of all the crawlers on the web and I feel like putting original, unvarnished content on the web is simultaneously rebellious but also like... Well I don't know, it feels unseemly
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# capjamesg[d] [tantek] Agreed that Lighthouse is not a perfect tool. I find it more useful for identifying issues (i.e. big images, font loading problems, places I can preload) vs. striving for the highest numbers.
# [mattl] james: very nice. I just added a couple to my site. `curl -I https://mat.tl`
# capjamesg[d] has to Google "WebObjects Enterprise 3.0" :D
# capjamesg[d] You're libre.fm page is missing Taylor Swift...
# capjamesg[d] -> #indieweb-cafe
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