#dev 2024-12-04

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Kolev If a lot of people are using WordPress, I'll use that. I want something stable and well-supported.
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[Murray] I feel like WordPress will be around for a while, but I think given the last year its had, I'm not sure I'd call it "stable" any more 😅
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aaronpk 😬
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[tantek] I'd say it's fair to say that WordPress the software is fairly stable, especially since the context is self-hosting
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[mattl] WordPress does have a fair bit of admin tax though.
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[mattl] Updates are very frequent, especially for plugins.
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[snarfed] much less now, esp w/auto-updating plugins and themes
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[tw2113] It has blocks now...
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[tw2113] debatably worse
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[snarfed] lol. but orthogonal to admin tax
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al3xaurus can i has web design?
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al3xaurus show me web design
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al3xaurus I promise I will steal it
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[tantek] What is web design?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "web design" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "web design is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] Nope sorry, no web design here for you to steal
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al3xaurus well let me know if you spot one, they seem to be getting scarcer
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immibis i wouldn't trust WordPress as long as Matt is still in charge
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immibis he's subverted auto update mechanisms to insert his own code into plugins for example
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doesnm btw how secure is wordpress? saw all news about vulreability plugins and themes
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al3xaurus I wouldn't trust wordpress.
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[snarfed] WP is far more secure than it was, say, 10y ago
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[snarfed] but it's an ecosystem, you do have to pay a bit of attention, as with anything you self-hosrt
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[mattl] Just added a music recap feature to http://Libre.fm
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[mattl] Here's mine: https://libre.fm/user/mattl/recap/2024
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gRegor [mattl]++ nice!
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Loqi [mattl] has 15 karma in this channel over the last year (41 in all channels)
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gRegor what is recap
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "recap" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "recap is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor what is wrapped
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Loqi Year in Review is a feature on some silos (like Facebook) as well as being a special kind of article on some IndieWeb sites that summarizes important aspects of the past year, sometimes on specific topics like books read https://indieweb.org/wrapped
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[tantek] what is wrapped
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Loqi Year in Review is a feature on some silos (like Facebook) as well as being a special kind of article on some IndieWeb sites that summarizes important aspects of the past year, sometimes on specific topics like books read https://indieweb.org/wrapped
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[tantek] lol
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gRegor jinx XD
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[tantek] recap is /year_in_review
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Loqi ok
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gRegor That could go on the gift calendar
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[mattl] Oh yes, I wrote it all today too.
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gRegor This isn't really new, so probably not a gift (?), but the indiebookclub year in review started updated for 2024: https://indiebookclub.biz/review/2024
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gRegor Last year's when it was new: https://indiebookclub.biz/review/2023
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Loqi [preview] 2023 Year in Review
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[Murray] Very cool; also, respect for the TMBG love, but that is a *lot* of TMBG love 😄
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[mattl] Fingertips is my test suite. Going forward I have a testing account for it.
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[Murray] ah fair
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[mattl] Added it to the gift calendar: https://blog.libre.fm/2024/12/see-your-end-of-year-recap-on-libre-fm/
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gRegor [mattl] is 210 minutes a typo? Seems long for an average song :)
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gRegor Got a Postgres connect error clicking the link to your recap just now btw
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gRegor Went away on refresh
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[mattl] Yeah, I suspect this stuff is stressing the database more than usual.
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[mattl] Blog post updated 🙂
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Kolev [tantek], my site https://bluehome.net/csh/ currently runs on the GNU Guile Scheme static site generator Haunt, but I worry that it won't be featureful enough to support POSSE and IndieAuth, or do backfeed. I'm considering moving to WordPress.
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Kolev I also need to get a domain. And then there's the question of hosting at my house vs. a VPS.
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[tantek] for POSSE and backfeed, you can build both on top of Webmention sending/receiving support and Bridgy
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[tantek] for IndieAuth, depends on what you mean by "support IndieAuth" — what is the use-case you are trying to solve?
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[tantek] (like there are easier / harder answers depending on your goals)
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Kolev I've never used IndieAuth, so I'm not entirely sure on what it does, but it sounds awesome: It does single sign-on, right?
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[tantek] for the combination of "just" POSSE, backfeed, IndieAuth, you don't really need WordPress. Plenty of people with SSGs do all that just fine without WP
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[tantek] correct, IndieAuth is a single-sign on protocol built on OAuth. the question is, which part(s) of single-sign-on do you yourself want or need to support with your personal site
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[tantek] there are at least three parts
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[tantek] with varying use-cases for each, which is why I'm asking
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[tantek] as in, most people do not need "all" of IndieAuth
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[mattl] Kolev: Oh you know jxself 🙂
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Kolev I don't know what I want, but I want something that will adapt in the future.
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[tantek] That would be called PHP 😂
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[tantek] Only half-joking. The most adaptable IndieWeb sites are all built on PHP, most on custom PHP (aaronpk is a prime example here). I would put myself in a distant secondary category of that.
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Kolev [mattl], yeah, jxself has graciously enabled me to avoid getting my own domain, but now the JMP.chat people keep asking me, "Where's your domain?" I think it's finally time to get my own server...
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[mattl] or at least your own domain name. my site http://1800www.com has some tips on getting your own site on your own domain name with omg.lol which is $20 a year for static publishing plus whatever your domain name fees are.
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[mattl] but maybe you just need a domain name and have Jason put your site under that.
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Kolev My dream is to have a single address across the whole internet: caleb@example.net on all the things.
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[alanm] tanktek, what do you mean by custom PHP?
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[tantek] what is custom PHP
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "custom PHP" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "custom PHP is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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[tantek] custom PHP is /content_management_system#Why_write_your_own
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Loqi ok
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[tantek] what is custom PHP?
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Loqi A content management system (often abbreviated as CMS) is software used to create, enter, edit, update, delete content on websites; some CMSs are used for IndieWeb sites, see the tables on this page for current usage https://indieweb.org/custom_PHP
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[tantek] ^ now linked 🙂
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Kolev [mattl], yes, that's a good start, but I'm afraid that won't let me have xmpp:caleb@example.net with Snikket web UI at chat.example.net.
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[alanm] Weird. I interpret the phrase custom php to mean some sort of language extension.
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[mattl] Do you have an initial, Kolev? Just trying to find you a cool domain name.
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[mattl] looks like http://caleba.org is available for example
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Kolev [mattl], I was going to do "$firstname$city_initial.net" so calebkc.net, which has been available for a while.
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Kolev [mattl], so, a transition step is getting a domain name and having it direct to my stuff on jxself's server, both web and email.
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[mattl] yes, you can do some forwarding too, but coordinate with him on that but you can buy it now.
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[tantek] alanm that's reasonable. Perhaps handwritten (typed?) PHP would be a better description
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[mattl] bespoke maybe?
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[tantek] more likely betyped but maybe
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gRegor artisinal PHP
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Kolev gRegor, I read that in 🎩 a posh voice.
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gRegor Definitely intended, haha
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[mattl] Laravel definitely pushes the artisan angle
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[tantek] handcrafted PHP
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[tantek] Zeldman used to call it "handrolled", i.e. https://tantek.com/log/2003/04.html#L20030423t1659 however I have since avoided due to the smoking implement implication
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gRegor Porkbun has some holiday discounts on domain registration (first year only): https://porkbun.com/event/holidaysales Some silly TLDs in there, but there's a discount on .com and some others that community members have used (.xyz, .blog)
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[mattl] https://dumbdomain.store seems to offer much of the same via Namecheap.
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[mattl] Kolev: you can add rel="me" to your email link on http://bluehome.net/csh/
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[mattl] which will allow you to use your homepage to login
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Kolev [mattl], cool.
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[mattl] I've changed my URL a couple times. It happens.
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