#dev 2024-12-08
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Kolev I think I got Bridgy set up. But now, I don't know how to make a note.
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Loqi angelo: gRegor left you a message 3 weeks, 3 days ago: the IndieAuth github issue I mentioned for client discovery: https://github.com/indieweb/indieauth/issues/133
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# Kolev Can WordPress put note index at /notes/ and individual notes at /2024/12/07/text-of-note/
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GWG How did I miss this? https://blog.gravatar.com/2024/06/03/profiles-as-a-service/
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gRegor started pushing the in-progress code to a branch with, well, just a readme, but it's a start: https://github.com/gRegorLove/indiewebify-me/tree/slim-migration
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[schmarty] gRegor++
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# Kolev Is there a guide to using 11ty for IndieWeb?
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capjamesg[d] [edit] See https://indieweb.org/Eleventy
# Kolev Seems dependent on Netlify. I just have a regular HTTP server right now.
# Kolev I also looked at Indiekit but it seems dependent on nonfree MongoDB still.
# Kolev capjamesg[d], I'm also considering your Aurora.
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[aciccarello] Kolev, I use Indiekit without MongoDB
# [aciccarello] There are some features that don't work without a DB but I can post to my site
# Kolev [aciccarello], good. Maybe I can use Indiekit. Or is using Indiekit unnecessary, when you have Bridgy?
# [aciccarello] They do different things
# [aciccarello] So I use Indiekit as my micropub endpoint. It writes posts to a git repo. 11ty then generates HTML from my markdown files and publishes them using Netlify but you could also use any process that copies files to your server. Then bridgy fed reads the posts on my site and publishes them via activity pub.
# [aciccarello] Does that make sense?
# [aciccarello] I have some more details and links on my colophon page: https://www.ciccarello.me/colophon/
# [snarfed] also Kolev see https://brid.gy/about#bridgy-fed
# Kolev I don't really understand what micropub is. But regular Bridgy is what I want, so that my normal accounts are being used.
# Loqi Micropub is an open web standard (W3C Recommendation) and API for creating, editing, and deleting posts on websites, like on your own domain, supported by numerous third-party clients, CMSs, and social readers https://indieweb.org/micropub
# Kolev The diversity of tooling is also confusing. [aciccarello] do I have to use Netlify? Maybe I should just write raw HTML instead of futzing with static site generators...
# [aciccarello] You definitely don't have to
# Kolev I think I have Bridgy connected to my accounts. Do I just add notes to my site, and they'll magically appear on Mastodon?
# Kolev [tantek], Publish.
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# Kolev So an h-feed links to notes. Right?
# Loqi h-feed is a microformats2 draft specification with a top level feed object to contain root class(h-*) objects, usually h-entry posts and optionally a common author, name, and representative photo https://indieweb.org/h-feed
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# capjamesg[d] Kolev++
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# Kolev Hm. I have an h-feed and a note on https://bluehome.net/csh/ but Bridgy Publish hasn't picked it up.
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[tantek] go here: https://brid.gy/ and click the Mastodon button. That should take you to a UI where you can manually paste a permalink of your note and then preview how Bridgy will publish it to Mastodon and then publish it
# Kolev [tantek], hm. So I have to enter post URL on both Bluesky and Mastodon, and click to post. Sounds almost as bad as just re-posting manually.
# Kolev [tantek], Bridgy Fed changes my handle though...
# Kolev [tantek], IIRC, Bridgy Fed makes your address @bluehome.net@web.brid.gy or something weird like that. It doesn't post to your actual account.
# Kolev Sorry that I'm not "getting it" fast enough. All of this is very convoluted, with 1,000 different implementations, many half-baked.
# [tantek] Kolev no that's not correct, how to use your own domain as your Bluesky address is in the BridgyFed docs: https://fed.brid.gy/docs#enhanced
# [tantek] Kolev, if you're looking for turnkey rather than customizable services (the "convoluted" you refer to with many different implementations), then http://micro.blog may be a better solution for you to do everything across Mastodon, Bluesky etc. from one service
# Kolev [tantek], micro.blog isn't self-hosted, though. I do want to have a normal website, but adding all this IndieWeb stuff to it manually is complicated. I wish there was an IndieWeb container I could spin up that would be aware of notes, syndication, etc. Indiekit looked good, if I can use it without proprietary MongoDB.
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# Kolev [tantek], Snikket is just a set of containers that you spin up, and you have a working XMPP-based messaging service that just works. No choosing your preferred XMPP server, no manually adding plugins to the XMPP server. All of the sensible defaults have been worked out. No need to assemble yourself. Just spin up a container.
# Kolev You could set up Prosody manually, but the containers do all that for you, with a web UI on top.
# Kolev And with Jellyfin, there's only one Jellyfin. There's no "choose from ten different media servers and manually configure them." All you do is point the container to your media directory, and visit Jellyfin's web UI, press next a few times, and you're done.
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Jellyfin" yet. Would you like to create it?_9 (Or just say "Jellyfin is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# carrvo [tantek] I would agree that most self-hosted out there is "complicated" and I would agree that any specific use case would need to self assemble; but I would disagree that it is "anything self-hosted". For example it is fairly easy and straightforward to have a LAMP stack, even with different components. True, you have to write the PHP pages yourself, but the stack is there.
# Kolev [tantek], Jellyfin is a media server like Plex.
# [tantek] like I was going to try a copy edit of https://github.com/indieweb/indiewebify-me/blob/a6437e77654913882c47dd72edecfda201523e5b/templates/validate-h-card.html.php based on some feedback at IndieWebCamp and the pencil icon is disabled which is odd. Normally the pencil icon is always enabled and clicking it creates a fork if necessary
# Loqi Plex is a platform for indexing, converting, playing, sharing, and streaming your media from local or cloud storage https://indieweb.org/Plex
# carrvo Most non-technical consumer solutions are "just another implementation of what many do" but wrapped up with it's own choices of implementations. And it works because most people on the planet don't actually have as many differring needs as we like to think (or will find acceptable).
# [tantek] a-ha figured out the GitHub pencil icon problem. if viewing a random branch, the pencil icon might be disabled. this can be detected by the URL to a file having something like "blob/a643…" where a643 is some random-looking hex. if you see this, then the answer is to change the "branches" drop down in the top left under "Files" from that hex to the branch at the top typically starting with "ma…"
# carrvo I think a few "default" or "quickstart" solutions is what the IndieWeb movement is missing for widespread adoption (though I am impressed with how many big names have hidden support for it).
# Kolev carrvo: Yes. Snikket is just an opinionated XMPP server setup that does what most people expect of XMPP. It says "here's a set of tools that are known to work together for all the given features" rather than presenting you with ten different implementations that may or may not be complete.
# Kolev carrvo: When I first got in here, I got the impression that Known or WordPress are a "sensible default" for getting quickly onto the IndieWeb, but then people contested me on that.
# carrvo @Kolev I do intend to have a minimalist "solution" (non-containerized) that would be on track with what you are saying. Unfortunately it is very minimal so it is only the authentication part to be used with Apache HTTPd; no notes, syndicate, etc.
# Kolev Well, I did make some progress today. I composed a note and wrote an h-feed to link to it on my home page. That's a start, I guess.
# carrvo I do find that containers are more complicated than they should be.
# carrvo Kolev++ keep at it!
# Kolev Since I have made small progress today, maybe I should take a break before I get too frustrated.
# Kolev BTW, I'm writing raw static HTML right now. Hope that's OK.
# carrvo Kovlev++ WordPress as a default is a good point. It isn't something I want to get into though.
# Kolev [tantek], not sure how sustainable it's going to be, to manually write all this HTML. I'm hoping Bridgy Publish will make it so that I only have to worry about my website, and Bridgy Publish will put my posts on @cshkc.bsky.social and @kolev@babka.social for me.
# Loqi manual until it hurts is an IndieWeb development practice of resisting automating something until you have manually done it enough times to really understand it, and know that it is worth doing and automating https://indieweb.org/manual_until_it_hurts
# [morganm] Manual until it hurts sounds like the sort of sensible overlooked advice by many
# [morganm] It's very practical
# carrvo And it is documented! A minimalist solution by bringing together existing pieces https://github.com/carrvo/mindie any kind of feedback (false information, incorrect licensing, et cetera) would be appreciated.
# carrvo [edit] And it is documented! A minimalist solution by bringing together existing pieces https://github.com/carrvo/mindie any kind of feedback (false information, incorrect licensing, et cetera) would be appreciated.
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# Kolev Oh no... This is so complicated. https://indieweb.org/Webmention-developer#How_to
# Kolev It should be easy with Bridgy Publish. https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Bridgy
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# Kolev [tantek], I just know basic HTML and CSS.
# gRegor aciccarello, looks like micropub-helper supports syndicate-to querying: https://grantcodes.github.io/micropub/#/?id=syndication-targets
# Kolev [tantek], ah... I'm not a programmer...