#dev 2025-01-21

2025-01-21 UTC
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corlaez I just catched up with the conversations about gemini. @xuid, I haved digged into gopher or that retrocomputing website
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corlaez I think that Gemini is very explicitly not trying to replace the web, just be something else.
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corlaez And the constrains of gemtext, while limiting, I find they allow me to focus in the content and lifts some of the weight from publishing something up. Just a tiny bit of formating
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corlaez like the lightest ++ one could do to plain text
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corlaez @xuid, I *haven't* digged into gopher or that retrocomputing website
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corlaez And I think regarding the lack of extension and constraints... It just wants to be simple and stay simple
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corlaez extensible would open the door to complexity
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corlaez The limitations on gemtext are also based on permacomputing and privacy I believe
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corlaez because even if you make the tinyest, simplest HTML page, chances are the browser has all sorts of gadgets running: js engine, APIs, fingerprinting, stores, etc
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corlaez And the protocol allows service providers to siphon a lot of data about you
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corlaez I know the indie web is ideally about owning your website, and you can control how simple your responses are
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corlaez but in practical terms, there is always service providers, even indie ones like known and others
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corlaez and the thought is that by removing certain capabilities from the protocol and sealing it up you have better guarantees about privacy and such
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corlaez simple protocols and clients means implementations can proliferate and are easier to inspect as well, or write your own.
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corlaez while browsers are impossible lovecraftian messes.
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corlaez https://i.ibb.co/58ZBKbn/gemini.png <- my chat service via gemini
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corlaez The one thing about gemini which I just go rogue about is requiring TLS always. I think it is kind of a blunder. For hosting a service over the internet, big YES. but otherwise I can see practical applications of the TLS-less version of gemini being useful
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corlaez in fact I use some myself, as long as they are not exposed to the internet I believe it is fine.
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corlaez I can't remember where I found this link (maybe shared to me here) but this was an interesting article (albeit a bit outdated): https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2023/05/28/the-gemini-protocol-seen-by-this-http-client-person/
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corlaez a critique to gemini (the biggest change since that is that the protocol and gemtext are now separate specs and I think they have made them a little more specific and less ambiguous)
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corlaez I don't think the closing the connection critique is fair, the protocol is oriented to the gemtext or file transfer use and gemtext explicitly won't initiate a request when rendering the page (unlike html)
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corlaez Perhaps, I am dumb and don't know how expensive the connection opening really is, but if you transfer files and pages that take you enough seconds to read or observe
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corlaez perhaps that makes reconnection infrecuent enough to be justifiable. (so long form blog better than one liner tweets)
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[tantek] ^ corlaez sounds like you've thought about this enough to write all that up into a blog post on your own site!
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aaronpk ➕
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aaronpk otherwise it will be lost to the winds of the chat
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carrvo[d] In my effort to cleanup and redeploy, I have, for reasons I can elabourate, the pattern `https://example.com/public/user/myuser/profile/index` and I am wondering if there is a nicer term to see than "public" (the rest will remain as is)? Any clever suggestions?
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osteophage Main?
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aaronpk that's...a lot
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aaronpk you probably don't need that many path segments
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aaronpk if youtube can make /@username work so can you
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carrvo[d] I can add later a shorter path that resolves (in the background) to what I am configuring now. But, yes, I noticed how long it has gotten by reasons I can elabourate if you wish.
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carrvo[d] Coyote++
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Loqi Coyote has 1 karma over the last year
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osteophage Thanks! I think I have two karma records now, though, since I have a different display name to my username. Or does Loqi know how to match the two?
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Loqi you're welcome, osteophage
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osteophage haha the person I meant to be thanking was carrvo, but sure, you too.
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corlaez Yeah, that's super fair, I will write about it in my site :)
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[tantek] premature hierarchy is the root of much unnecessary complexity
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