#dev 2025-02-19
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carrvo re quoting: I've seen a few sites list a CC license at the bottom for the content of their pages. That could go far into informing people of your preferences or expectations. Unfortunately copyright and it's enforceability it a difficult topic that lawyers have been discussing for over a century...and most common folk seem to forget about it. Freedom of Speech and the like are important, but I doubt many know where the line is. I
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# trwnh yeah i'm not personally interested in looking at it from a legal perspective but moreso a matter of policy. taken to its end, you get stuff like ODRL for describing permissions/requirements/prohibitions. as an advisory policy you have a lot of leeway to say ahead-of-time what you are or are not okay with. legal enforcement is just one possible consequence of having your policy disrespected. social pressure is another. you could also not enforce
# trwnh it, just leave it as pure advisory
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[manton] I understand the goal here but does someone really have the right to say “anyone can quote me except for Matt Mullenweg”? I’m not sure that is practical or even a good idea. At some point, if you are posting content on the web publicly, the content is out there and you’ve lost control of it.
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[tantek] Similar to what trwnh is saying, I think it's worth exploring more "social policies" rather than just a legal perspective. There is a big opportunity to design systems for greater "social health" in general, above and beyond any legal requirements, or even "official policy" or ToS type things. It's worth continuing to ask "How can we make this a better, more joyful, safer, healthier experience?" for everyone that participates and interacts
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capjamesg[d] [tantek]++ those are good questions to ask.
# capjamesg[d] ^^
# [tantek] ok, in case people missed it, https://glider.mythik.co.uk is super fricking cool. like amazingly cool. give it your primary domain and it generates a graph (in the math sense) of all your identity relations with other domains / profiles connected by rel=me. super amazing.
# capjamesg[d] I'm starting to think I should use brid.gy fed or something to respond to posts on Mastodon.
# carrvo My apologies, I do think about it socially; but I know that the most involved in discussions historically have been lawyers and policymakers (who bias it with legal lines). Something like the populace complained and left it up to the government to resolve without thinking much themselves.
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[aciccarello] capjamesg[d] I've been really happy with the reply flow via bridgy fed
# [aciccarello] I actually want to replace the reply to facebook/twitter logic in omnibear with a reply to mastodon/bsky post
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# jak2k Is there any standard for marking up blogrolls so they are machine-readable?
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# capjamesg[d] What is OPML?
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Loqi OPML stands for Outline Processor Markup Language, an XML-based format and defacto standard used for feed lists interchange https://indieweb.org/OPML
# capjamesg[d] jak2k ^
# capjamesg[d] [snarfed] Is there a way I can select a feed at a HTML ID on a page with granary when converting from mf2 to something else?
# capjamesg[d] I have https://jamesg.blog/test.html#hwc-pacific and I want to only process the element with that ID.
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "OPDS" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "OPDS is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# jak2k OPML looks interesting. I recall having read about it before. However, I dislike these XLS stylesheets. I use one for my RSS feeds, and it's super brittle and hard to change. Microformats for blogrolls would be nice... For now, I'll take a look at parsing OPML and recursively searching for sites.
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# Loqi A blogroll is a list of other sites that you read, are a follower of, or recommend https://indieweb.org/blogroll
# trwnh re: "does someone really have the right" i think this can be asked about anything. do i have the right to do whatever i want with something just because "it's out there and you lost control of it"? fundamentally i agree that publication is giving up privacy and security, but "rights" are a separate framework entirely. by default, no one has a right to anything; it's more of a negotiated social contract
# trwnh anyway it's out there and people can verify that consent was obtained using the concept of stamps
# Loqi XFN (XHTML Friends Network) is the network of visible links across blogs that claim various XFN relationships with/to each other https://indieweb.org/XFN
# [tantek] there's also proposed rel values for following (and follower). you could use rel="following" on your blogroll links to indicate they are blogs you are following: https://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-brainstorming#follower_and_following
# [tantek] hmm, maybe some of that is worth adding to https://indieweb.org/blogroll#How_to
# [tantek] blogroll << How to markup: you can use <code>rel="following"</code> on your blogroll links to indicate they are blogs you are following: https://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-brainstorming#follower_and_following. Additionally if you want to express human social relationships to the people in your blogroll, you may do so with [[XFN]] rel-values.
# Loqi ok, I added "How to markup: you can use <code>rel="following"</code> on your blogroll links to indicate they are blogs you are following: https://microformats.org/wiki/xfn-brainstorming#follower_and_following. Additionally if you want to express human social relationships to the people in your blogroll, you may do so with [[XFN]] rel-values." to the "See Also" section of /blogroll https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=100055&oldid=99937
# carrvo trwnh, you should dive more into the Enlightenment than a public education would give. A lot of the modern conception that people have certain "rights" (and even the origin of the definition of "rights" in that context) came out of the Enlightenment.
# carrvo Much of human history was not based upon such ideas (unfortunately including slavery, et cetera) and might interest thoughts of "rights are a separate framework" and "out there means lost control".
# trwnh <carrvo> i have :)
# [snarfed] capjamesg re https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2025-02-19#t1739990497482400 , yes! the id kwarg to html_hfeed_to_as1/html_to_activities, https://granary.readthedocs.io/en/latest/source/granary.html#granary.microformats2.html_hfeed_to_as1
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